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What I've discovered with liberals joining leftist spaces is they like to colonize the entire movement and neuter them. They should be welcome to work with us, but not in our spaces.
The Socialist Rifle Club is a prime example.
A prime example of what? Can you explain what has happened to the Socialist Rifle Club?
It was taken over by liberals that call themselves socialist to distance from the toxic word Democrat, and they brought their fascist light into the organization demanding everyone fall in line behind them driving the actual socialists away
When any group grows the diversity of thought within it will grow too bringing more perspectives.
This is like saying libs should join the NRA or the Proud Boys. I'm sure they will appreciate your "diversity of thought".
It's not as if liberal or unaffiliated gun clubs don't already exist.
I mean, different perspectives would benefit those groups.
You aren't entitled to membership or the facilities of any club.
It's like trying to play tennis at the basketball club and acting surprised when you get told to leave.
Just go to the tennis court, bud.
Most liberals do not have a diversity of thought, theirs is the only correct course and any other options are trying to get the other side elected. They can form their own organizations and others can work with them but to allow them within the ranks of existing groups is disaster
The irony is so dense it's become a black hole
Liberals are toxic to liberation movements. You wouldn't understand because you've never been part of a liberation movement
Please keep explaining how you're the most right
How much real world experience do you have? I've been at this since ACT UP during Reagan
Okay grandpa let’s get you to bed now.
Ageist liberal garbage.
Yeah, I’m a monster.
This is a legit concern. How do we stay radical and positive?
I agree with ensuring not to subordinate leftist orgs to liberals BUT we must be open to them joining our spaces. How else are we going to bring our ideas to them? Many liberals just need a push in the right direction to seeing the web of evil that all comes from capitalism but they aren't going to get that as readily if we are actively turning them away. We have to be willing to meet people where they are at and educate them especially these people self selecting into more radical groups who are definitely more easily agitated into broader political engagement.
We can work with them in their own organizations and share ideas and when they align closer to socialist/communist ideology then they can join us. Nearly 40 years of activism has taught me the Black Panther approach to organizing works best.
I fundamentally disagree with this as an effective tool for building a mass movement that is necessary for the change we want to foment. We cannot achieve these goals by beginning our fight as a fractured base - this is why political education is such an important part of the process in organizing new people into these movements. Not a single person raised in liberal society popped out of the womb as a leftist - every one of us had someone pull us into this fight in one way or another and kick start our development as political actors. As people able to do that for others now I see it as our duty to do so.