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'It's just parroting the training data!' That's supposed to be reassuring??

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We should not be using these machines until we've solved the hard problem of consciousness.

I see a lot of people say "It can't think because it's a machine", and the only way this makes sense to Me is as a religious assertion that only flesh can have a soul.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If current LLMs are conscious then consciousness is a worthless and pathetic concept.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I actually kinda agree with this.

I don't think LLMs are conscious. But I do think human cognition is way, way dumber than most people realize.

I used to listen to this podcast called "You Are Not So Smart". I haven't listened in years, but now that I'm thinking about it, I should check it out again.

Anyway, a central theme is that our perceptions are comprised heavily of self-generated delusions that fill the gaps for dozens of cludgey systems to create a very misleading experience of consciousness. Our eyes aren't that great, so our brains fill in details that aren't there. Our decision making is too slow, so our brains react on reflex and then generate post-hoc justifications if someone asks why we did something. Our recall is shit, so our brains hallucinate (in ways that admittedly seem surprisingly similar sometimes to LLMs) and then applies wild overconfidence to fabricated memories.

We're interesting creatures, but we're ultimately made of the same stuff as goldfish.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, you're right. Humans get really weird and precious about the concept of consciousness and assign way too much value and meaning to it. Which is ironic, because they spend most of their lives unconscious and on autopilot. They find consciousness to be an unpleasant sensation and go to efforts to avoid it.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Spoiler alert:

spoilerno one has souls

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 17 hours ago

A soul is a wet spiderweb made out of electricity that hangs from the inside of your skull.

[–] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In theory a machine one day could think

LLMs, however, do not think. Even though the term "think" is used in chatgpt. They don't think

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I once built a thinking machine out of dominos. Mine added two bits together. Matt Parker's was way bigger, and could do 8 bits. Children have made thinking machines in Minecraft out of redstone. Thinking machines aren't very hard.

[–] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

What do you consider thinking, and why do you consider LLMs to have this capability?