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I'm seeing a lot of variance in the ratios. Some flails have longer handles, some have short. Some have chains as long or longer than the handle, some have almost non-existent chains. What are the advantages and disadvantages of various handle and chain lengths, and is there an "optimal" ratio?

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So to give an answer to your question, if you’re going to use a chain-based weapon, the optimum length is long enough to completely wrap around somebody. And in that situation, you want a fairly light, small business end, not a big metal ball.

So maybe something like a rope dart, meteor hammer, or bolas? I've seen some YouTube videos on meteor hammers, and it looks like one way to use them is by throwing the weighted end as a projectile and using the chain (or very often a rope) to retrieve/retract it.

I agree though, flails as shown above seem like an unwieldy garbage weapon. If I had to use one, I'd want a very short chain on it, so probably 2nd from the left on the bottom row.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately in some medieval combat sports, the "speed flail," a foam ball tethered to a handle, is an easy non-historic way to bypass a shield -- swing at the top of the shield, and the ball wraps around to hit the opponent's shield or sword arm.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So could a real flail work against a shield that way too?

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A real flail is a lot heavier, which is harder to use, which is the main problem that me and my friends had with the foam version being allowed in the sport.

You would have to ask a qualified historian to know if these weapons were ever used in this way. I would be curious to know too.

My guess is that spear/polearm beats shield at a much lower cost and with less risk, but I don't really know I'm not an expert.