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The losses of Germany on the eastern front are widely believed to be the most significant factor in defeating Nazi Germany and the USSR won the battle of Berlin, the final battle before the German capitulation. Thus Europe widely believed (for a good reason) that the USSR was the main contributor in defeating Germany. With the cold war the perception of the USSR became a lot worse in western countries like France and with increasing anti-USSR sentiment the view flipped to viewing the USA as the deciding factor. The USSR (and the Russian Federation today, even if its government is very anti USSR) viewed itself as the most important force in defeating Germany, especially because the USSR had the biggest amount of deaths. It is worth noting that the USSR was at least commercially allied with Nazi Germany until June 22, 1941 and there was an agreement between the nations on which parts of Europe each could invade and which where reserved for the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Out of every nation to flip to, why the US?

Their impact was in the Pacific theatre not Europe.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well and American equipment was integral to Nazi defeat even though a large part of it was given or sold to the USSR so they could keep fighting.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But that's not the reason why the impression flipped.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

That's why I said and, it's not wholely a lie and that helps people buy into it.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 12 points 3 weeks ago

American movies are more popular in France than Russian

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a wild take. Quibble over exact war contributions scores all you like, but to say the US didn't have an impact in Europe is blatantly false.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Germany would have lost the eastern and western front without them. What they did was speed up the western so the Soviets owned less of Europe afterwards.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Very true, but the lend leasing that the US gave the USSR is significant (just not as significant as 8.7 million dead Soviets)

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

25 million Soviets died during the war. Is the 8.7 just soldiers?

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah. The picture in the US is the Soviets just buried the Germans with dead, but military losses weren't that uneven. What was is civilian deaths, since the Nazis were just massacring everyone.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not just massacring, also because the massive relocations during invasion, the immense focus in industry, huge recruitment of working force, and loss of agricultural land in the south, there were big famines in WW2 USSR. It's the main reason behind the million deaths in prisons during WW2 USSR.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, you see an ugly pattern in lots of propaganda talking points against Russia, from WWI through now. "Russians are savage (Asiatic) orcs who don't respect human life. So it's good to kill them indiscriminately"

The hypocrisy there never seems to matter

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

tsk you aren't counting the ones stalin purged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_Stalin

I know you won't lol, I've never seen someone simp harder for stalin rofls

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not significant tbh, its not as bad as libshits make it to be. And stalin gets vindicated even today after we see war mongering racist pedophiles ruling the west

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not significant tbh,

sure thing rofls. daddy stalin didn't do nothing wrong jfc

libshits uh huh sure thing tankie boi

millions of people liquidated or just shot and left in a ditch, not significant tbh ROFLS

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

USA has killed way more people through its imperialism, talk about that.

Gentle reminder that you are ruled by pedophiles

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

lol, you really think the US has killed more people through imperialism than stalin did through holodimors and pogroms huh?

where did they hide all the bodies?

Gentle reminder that you are ruled by pedophiles

yeah you like that guy don't you?

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you dumb? I am not even american not even european and I dont give a flying fuck whethsr you are ruled by a black hating pedophile or a child killer with lgbt flag, becauase for us suffering is same no matter who rules your fucking genocidal country.

Stalin did Holodomor? Read history ffs. Who is currently starving cuba? Who killed thousands of people in vietnam? Afghanistan Libya Iraq Syria Chile now Venezuela Who is funding israel to bomb babies in gaza? Who meddled into korean civil war wiping off 20% of their population?

These wars and there consequences are a thousand times more than whatever stalin ever did.

This is the reason I hate liberals, fuckers are ao ignorant and entitled like we care whether the orange man rules you, go to hell and stop bombing innocent civilians fuck you.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

sure thing bud. you write like a shill kb kommando lol. say hi to putin for me.

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What do you think you will never pay for your crimes?

Keep being ruled a pedophile and lecturing me. LIBSHIT

Get blocked.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Their impact was in the Pacific theatre not Europe.

?

from the bombing of europe, to overlord - the invasion of europe - this is factually incorrect. the US got into africa later than the UK because, uh, they didn't have colonies lol....

but half of the forces that landed on normandy were US.

the US had a larger footprint, and other allies smaller, in the pacific, but "their impact was in the pacific theater not europe" is incorrect. The US helped bomb germany into rubble, there were impacts in europe lol.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Overlord was a year after Stalingrad, which is where the war turned on the Eastern Front.

Just look at German losses on each front. Dday put a big nail in the coffin - but the Axis was already bleeding to death then.