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NATO chief says Europe should ‘keep on dreaming’ if it thinks it can defend itself without the US (www.cnn.com)

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NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has told Europe it should “keep on dreaming” if it thinks it can defend itself without the support of the United States.

“If anyone thinks here again that the European Union, or Europe as a whole, can defend itself without the US, keep on dreaming. You can’t. We can’t. We need each other,” Rutte said during an address to the European Parliament in Brussels on Monday.

The NATO chief warned European nations they would need to increase defense spending to 10% if they “really want to do it alone,” adding they would need to build up their own nuclear capability, costing billions of euros.

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[–] Gust@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago

First two paragraphs, sure. I wasnt disagreeing with your conclusions, just pointing out that your analysis was flawed. I share your opinion that Europe is unlikely to be credibly militarily threatened by the US, CN, RU, or even CN+RU. I do think china is significantly closer to being a credible threat than your analysis indicates. Historically, how many expansionist empires have decided they had enough territory on their own?

As far as disagreeing with SIPRI figures... they have been the global academic authority on defense economics for almost 60 years. You are welcome to disagree with them based on vibes but there's really no more to discuss if you don't have a reputable source of evidence to back your opinion.

This last paragraph is entirely vibes based on my end, so don't give it more credit than the opinion of some rando on the fediverse. I don't know that I'd count on Ukraine to be ride or die with Europe in the future. The rest of Europe certainly has not acted in a way to engender that level of mutual defense with Ukraine in the past 12 years. Maybe the Baltic states have, but the larger European economies have spent 12 years appeasing their gas station dictator rather than fully supporting Ukraine. They are saints beyond what the EU deserves if they do fully commit to the EU defensive bloc in the future.