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The frustrating thing is the open carry ban would have had ZERO impact on that shooting:
https://www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-metro/family-friends-remember-11-year-old-shot-killed-while-leaving-isotopes-park/
"The young boy was shot and killed in a suspected road rage shooting last Wednesday near Isotopes Park. Police said someone in a Dodge Durango fired 17 shots at the car he was in when leaving the game, killing Froylan and wounding his 24-year-old cousin, Tatiana.
“The vehicle just pulled up on the side of them and started shooting,” Amaro said.
All of it happened with Froylan’s mother and baby brother in the back seat."
You could ban open carry, you could ban concealed carry, that would not have stopped that shooting.
There really isn't a way to know how it could have been prevented until we know who the shooter is.
Kind of pointless to pick a single particular time and argue that something would or would not have stopped it without any actual data.
If guns were less prevalent and harder to get would it cause there to be less gun fatalities?
If you are harder on people committing gun crimes would there be less gun fatalities?
If it were illegal to carry large amounts of amnition around with you, would there be less gun fatalities?
If it were illegal to carry around lots of weapons without being in a well-regulated militia, hence where police or other people would see you and go in that person's probably up to no good, would that cause there to be less gun fidelities?
Those statements have a lot more deciding power behind them whether they're right or wrong are you agree or disagree They actually mean something.
If some kid rolls up and does a school shooting do we hold their families responsible? You lived with that guy, prove reasonable doubt that you didn't see it happening and not report it.
But this one time it band camp crap doesn't prove or disprove anything it doesn't say anything about the general working of gun laws on population.
Agreed, but I'm not the one citing it as an example of why the state needed an open carry ban. Fact of the matter is it was a driveby shooting, not a case of someone open carrying shooting.
Sure, but that can't happen because of the 2nd amendment. It's a non-starter.
Not really, no. Mass shootings end in either suicide, life in prison, or the death penalty. Hasn't stopped them.
Nope, because there's no danger in carrying ammo.
That's not what the founders meant by "well regulated militia".
https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html
"Further, the Court found that the phrase “well regulated Militia” referred not to formally organized state or federal militias, but to the pool of able-bodied men who were available for conscription.15"
In the case of the Crumbleys? Yes.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-michigan-high-school-shooter-ethan-crumbley-trial/story?id=98072544
We don't care the least about what the founders meant. Both parties consistently reinterpret the words to mean whatever Will keep them in power.
The things I wrote aren't yes or no things they're measures. They need to be investigated, studied, they need to be tried they need to see what effect the actually have. There's a significant amount of pushback from gun rights advocates to not study those type of things for fear that some of them might actually work. And if you ask them why they say well they might not study it correctly they might just come up with whatever result they actually want to happen.
It's pretty common for people who are anti-gun law to simply say this won't work, that won't work, it's a pretty low barrier to entry argument. I don't have any data but I don't like the outcome so I'm just going to say it won't work and that's the whole argument
I would give my personal guarantee that implementing those would have an effect, the question is would any of them have enough of an effect to make it worth it. Hell, we've had police on site during shootings and they haven't done a damn thing about what was going on. You don't need any more indication than someone walking through a school shooting kids to know that they don't need to be in there and need to be stopped.
They can't be implemented because the Supreme Court has already made multiple key rulings o the topic since 2008 and have a few more in their case load for this year and next. It's not going to get better, it will only get worse from here on out.
That used to be the case. But since they recently overturned Row v Wade, nothing is off the table anymore.
Agreed nothing is off the table, but the court has only turned more conservative, not less. So turnimg it back around may take another 50 years or more.