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This is especially weird because no one denies the famine or says the victims were all kulaks (and I think kulaks who died were often outright killed rather than starving), the famine is recognized as being a tragedy that caused great suffering among the peasantry. Like, the number gets exaggerated (and even what they give in the OOP is probably an exaggeration) but even if a tenth of that number died, that's still a massive tragedy and not at all a desirable outcome in the eyes of the so-called "tankies."
It's one of the most irritating things about liberals that they literally just don't understand socialists' assertions to the point that you need to question if they've ever even been directly exposed to one such person explaining their positions.
That's the whole point of straw men, they're really easy to beat up and they can't fight back. It's doubtful any of these assholes have ever met or interacted with a "tankie".
A tankie? Oh you mean like that Ro Kahnna guy?
They dont care about the dead either btw, they never mention any of the other countries effected by the famine, which were worse, its always Ukraine. Its always and only ukraine. (The answer is nazis)
I think Ukraine might have actually been hit the hardest if we're dividing it by nations, but you're right certainly that the narrative falls apart when you consider that Russia itself was quite effected, and the part of Ukraine that was effected was mainly eastern Ukraine, which even then was much more Russian than the west. The idea of it being a genocide by Russians against Ukrainians is just complete garbage and the answer is indeed Nazis doing "accusation in a mirror".
I thought Kazakhstan got it worse but it doesnt really matter, its all about the narrative for these people.
I could be wrong, there's a cottage industry of pumping the numbers for Ukraine specifically, so my view is probably distorted. Kazakhstan was minimally hit comparably hard, so your original point remains regardless, as you say.
If I remember correctly, Ukraine lost more in real numbers, but Kazakhstan lost more in proportion to their population size. I don't remember the percentages.
Yeah, they need to straw man otherwise they would have to concede that we are right. At this point it's easy to spot who is talking out of ignorance and who is talking out of malice to further their political beliefs.