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    [–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    helix is good, but kakoune is where all the fun happens

    [–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    I'm coming from kakoune. Language servers are something that's shockingly hard to get running reliably. Helix has solved this for me

    [–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    weird. I just use kakoune-lsp, and it works just fine out of the box, spare bit of copypasting from the readme on their github.

    I really like that i have to put in no effort for Helix to work, but unfortunately its just too rigid for me.

    And it also backs down on kakoune's philosophy, returning back the necessity of selection mode. It really frustrates me in this aspect. Kakoune's more heavy reliance on modifier keys seems way more handy and sensible to me. Helix's way just creates unnecessary complications, and feels like a change for the sake of a change.

    [–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Helix pretty much shares the kakoune keymap, so no idea what you mean.

    Also, plugin support using scheme is in the works. The dev still only sees it as a draft but it's pretty usable already

    [–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    no, what i mean is that they moved a whole list of motions into selection/extension mode. You can't just press shift+w or shift+alt+i, you need to think "do i want to jump to the next selector, or do i want to extend the selection to it?", press or not press v, and only then press w, alt+i or whatever. It's literally vim2: the electric bogaloo in that aspect, because the user needs to think of a verb first: jump or extend in this case, then select nouns: word, paragraph, etc., then select the verb again, this time the actual operation i want to do to my selection. This practically defeats the whole point of the verb-noun motion reversal that the kakoune dev expressed first, and the helix dev repeated after.

    I learnt about helix first, so it wasn't much of an issue, since a) i was just learning the motions, so i wasn't striving for speed just yet b) i had no point of comparison... Until i tried kakoune. After that the idiocy of that design became apparent, and it can't stop frustrating me ever since.

    P.S. i remember seeing the discussion about helix future plugin support back in 2023, when i just found it. Since it's still just "in the works", i'm feeling really skeptical about it, and about whether the plugin infrastructure will grow big enough. Kakoune is much more mature in that aspect