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We should be reducing our import of Chinese developed technology, “smart” devices, phones, and EVs in particular. Every Chinese business big enough to play at the global scale has the government in it’s power structure. They don’t necessarily dictate business decisions but every bit of data collected is by default accessible by the government.
Having a significant fraction of a country driving around in Chinese EVs gives an insane amount of information to the Chinese government for free. And it’s not just direct information either like the driver’s identity, with millions of cars on the road a lot can be inferred, like if the parking lots at military bases suddenly fill up on a Tuesday afternoon or traffic between a high value person’s home and an airport gets unusually slow.
Cars have cellular modems, they have wifi and bluetooth hardware, if a particular person’s device was identified, for example, at a political meeting then that person could be trivially tracked by the dozens of Chinese cars and “smart” devices that they pass in a day. The information could be smuggled home along with all the normal diagnostic, update and service info. It is not in our best interest to let the Chinese government track individuals, be it politicians, expats, or activists.
This could be done today by the our government, and it is to some extent, to identify, and locate, protesters and criminals by their mobile devices but it takes time and access to equipment and logs that the government does not always own. A competent adversary who owns millions of devices in your country can do in seconds what takes law enforcement weeks to accomplish via conventional means.
Remember that China was caught operating their own “police” force around the world not long ago, they will take advantage of any opportunity they are given to spy on other countries and gain political control.
China doesn’t plan for the next fiscal quarter they plan for the next quarter century, and Canada’s resources are in their sights.
Okay, but are American cars better from a security standpoint? I guess European cars are a valid option.
From an economic and domestic politics standpoint more trade with China is good, and maintaining what we have (like in canola and seafood) is imperative.
The US could conceivably do the same as I suspect China is doing, but the US government has to approach each manufacture and request or just take the data. Then they have to correlate it and so on. There was a recent writeup where someone found they could make themselves an admin (oops forgot to finish a sentence) on a US manufactures dealer network and use it to locate any vehicle sold since ~2015.
China has full access to any data collected by any business without red tape, and they are able to compel manufactures to include any feature they want.
Sure we can trade in raw materials and simple manufacturing but we need to stick to importing technology that was not designed by a country that has and will continue to be hostile to Canada.
(I think you started a thought and then forgot about it, there)
Yes, it's definitely harder for the NSA to do NSA stuff than it would be for... eh, the CAC, apparently (maybe?), but obviously it hasn't stopped the Americans. What we really should be doing is our own counterintelligence work, where we sweep imports for funny business. And importantly, impose the basic expectation that our hardware and software isn't spying on us in the first place, although that would be a huge shift.
Honestly I'd be less worried about my car spying on me than my phone but we import those from China almost exclusively.
Yes, that goes for phones as well. The Americans have definitely been on the lookout for hardware trojans on computing devices. Probably us too in some capacity, being in the five eyes.