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That this is posted from Facebook is rage bait enough. Having an account with that shit is fully supporting it.
But not having a facebook account grows their base so much larger leading to another victory come election time. I don't understand how any person thinks that protesting is effective but not letting their views spread online is not.
You get more bang for your buck every single time with online effort. There's no way to argue you don't. Facebook is where all the people are who are going to matter in the fight against MAGA. Because so many leftist feel to good for it they left and now the right has this red carpet access to the eyes and ears of every single person who is needed to turn the tides on MAGA.
Like you all repeat this trendy 3% rule about protests. But why has nobody figured out that 3% rule is actually about digital spaces. That's why it is important. Being able to overwhelm their content with ours is what will turn tides. If my enemy is investing all their effort and resources into something then I better pay attention. That is online content especially facebook.
No to all of that. That’s not how it works, but you do you. It’s okay to agree to disagree.
Yes it is how that works. It's exactly how that works. It's why the right invest everything they have on controlling it. This is basic stuff.
The problem here is the thinking that protesting has any effect on them whatsoever.
Protesting is for us. Not them. You cannot speak truth to corruption. They don’t care and aren’t listening. If you think you’re changing their minds, you need to change how you’re thinking- because they don’t mind how they think.
So staying on that platform only serves to generate more revenue for them. Which leads to my original point:
If you still have a Facebook account- you’re supporting their bullshit.
I'm not sure what the purpose of protesting for us means.
Protests carry a significant risk. There are severe financial, medical, legal and career risks. With how things are there is even risk to lives.
What I struggle with understanding is given this risks what is the reward for protesting. If we're asking others to bare these things, should there not be a due diligence on our part to make sure we did everything we could to ensure these protests are successful.
All protests are not equal. Civil rights protests or Montgomery bus boycotts came with clear measurable goals that protestors knew the risks and rewards. Other protests where shit shows like occupy Wallstreet or many of the Iraq war protests where laws were already locked in and there was no actionable goal.
So what i struggle with here is what do you mean protests are for us because it sounds like you think protests should be more like occupy or the Iraq protests rather than any of the civil rights or bus boycotts.
Facebook is going to make money no matter what. That's because there are so many people using it. Which is why it's why everybody but the left use it to raise awareness. I get the moral argument but you still have to be aware of the consequences. Not using Facebook means they spread their message to the average person. If you want any support or success you have to engage and convince that vox populi to support your efforts or your dead in the water before you even started.
So basically, you’re just trying to find any excuse to continue using it.
“Because I want to” is a fine answer, even if it comes from a source of indifference.
No reason you can give will be rational enough to make an argument to continue using Facebook. And; “Facebook is going to make money no matter what” is probably up there with the dumbest of them all.
As far as protesting for us-
It’s a way to join together and have a unified voice and the feeling of solidarity. Anyone thinking that minds will change as a result of it is foolish. However, for those on the fence- it’s a visible and audible presentation of plight at determination.
Which is FAR more successful than Facebook memes.
You’re wrong on a few things here.
There are more than enough reasons to be on Facebook right now depending on what you’re trying to accomplish. Personal feelings about the platform are valid reasons to stay off, but they are not good enough if you also expect people to show up to protests. It is callous to dismiss Facebook as a place to organize and use a unified voice while expecting others to take on risks without making efforts at a lower level that can accomplish the same goals.
Whether people like it or not, memes are far more powerful than protests in the current media environment. We have seen massive protests with hundreds of millions of people in the streets and nothing meaningful came from them. Attitudes did not change. Policy did not change. The same politicians are still in power.
To prove my point look at Howard Dean. His entire national political career was ended by a single meme. One moment, repeated endlessly, reached more people and shaped public opinion more than huge demonstrations that required arrests and injuries ever did.
That is how influence works today. If there are no measurable goals or direction, then protests are just something people do to feel like they participated. Some of us think effort should happen earlier and at lower risk stages before asking people to put their lives on the line. Expecting people to risk losing an eye, being arrested, or worse just to feel symbolically united and then go home is not strategy.
If you want real outcomes, you start where people already are and use the tools that actually move opinion and behavior right now.
Whatever excuse works for you.
Have a good one. I'll check back in after the next record setting protest and you can let me know how unified you're feeling.
The fact that you think having a Facebook account connect to that is immeasurably ignorant.
But I’ll digress. You go ahead and justify your contribution to MAGA any way you choose.
Not sure what this means
You contribute more to MAGA by giving them free access to people's content rather than fighting against their misinformation. The minute you deleted your account was the minute you start contributing to MAGA success
A person sharing Facebook links is lecturing me on giving MAGA free access to their content. LMAO!
Man, you people will say whatever you need to in order to convince yourselves you’re not part of the problem.
Can you explain how sharing a link like this is helping MAGA
LMAO! Can you please tell me how NOT having a Facebook account does?
Deleting Facebook does not delete MAGA content. What is gone are the views and framing of events from the left.
Facebook's user base are primarily older, Apolitical low-information voters, community groups, parents, workers, retirees, church groups... These are not MAGA voters, they are regular people who mostly passively scroll, absorbing whatever dominates their feed that day.
When left leaning users deleted their social media accounts, it didn't delete MAGA content. This rebalanced the algorithm. Comments and posts became more dominated by right leaning voices because fewer people were there to counter them and because there was more of it.
Silence functions as consensus.
When passive scrollers see MAGA or right leaning content, they don't think 'this is extreme' instead they think 'this must be normal or widely accepted'. Without content that can counter it, right leaning messages begin to shift public opinion. You can see this reflected in polls, polls answered by regular folk not just MAGA. Within public opinion you'll hear how protestors are violent or burning down cities, vaccinations are dangerous, ANTIFA is a terrorist organization, media is always fake and lying, etc.. these views we all thought would be insane 15 years ago have become status quo.
Here is something that is very critical to how this reshaping of status quo occurred. This is important to my point. Research shows a small, committed minority can flip majority opinion once it crosses a critical threshold, around ten percent. That minority does not need to convince everyone. It only needs to dominate what people see often enough to make its position feel normal.
Social consensus through the influence of committed minorities
Here is the abstract
Does it mean every time when you have a small dominate minority that opinions will flip? No. But it does give evidence to the idea that there is some small value like 10% of a group needed to change their views for the rest of the group to flip 100%.
MAGA understand this, the left seem to be out of the loop on this however. This is why we see right leaning content that is more engaging and users who flood the zone.
In 2024 there was 1.9 billion spent in online political ads.
Facebook Says 10 Million People in the U.S. Saw Russia-Linked Ads
Far-right news sources on Facebook more engaging
How right-wing influencers are bending reality in Minneapolis
MAGA are using platforms like Facebook to become committed agents who consistently proselytize the opposing opinion and are immune to influence. And they can only become those agents when the left is not there to challenge them. When we all left Facebook and x and whatever else, we played right into their hand.
You can put hundreds of millions of people in the streets, but if digital spaces are dominated by MAGA frames then public opinion will turn against any protests or efforts.
Online perception shapes IRL legitimacy.
Leaving Facebook feels morally correct. But it's a retreat.
Public support matters. Views matter. Presence matters. Framing matters. Abandoning the largest passive audience on the internet only serves to accelerates the normalization of MAGA.
Can you answer the question I asked?
LMAO. Have fun storming the MAGA castle with your memes. 😂
You just showed that you're no better than a MAGA.
ROFL!