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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/57302675

an article explaining why GNOME should support SSD, but also arguing against the reasons often given for why they shouldn't

If someone could repost this to r/GNOME I would appreciate it, since I don't have a reddit account.

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[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It's funny how many GNOME people whine about the title bar wasting so much space when GNOME apps literally look like as if they've been made for touchscreen users. Also, what about the great black bar on the top of the system?

We should honestly just leave GNOME behind and have them deal with it. We won't move forward much with their child-like stubbornness and toxic community.

[–] gregloscombe@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago

So I love CSD, but I do agree that the padding, and rounded corners on every element is crap. There is dozens of studies into mistakes / productivity loss when you need to scroll. Programming, accounting, writing etc - everything benefits from more space.

I remember switching from windows to linux for day to day, and finding myself f'king about way more in a debugger to get the info needed (eclipse in this case). Took screenshots in linux and windows... has lost about 20% of screen estate. Horrible.

We've spent decades adding more monitors, and now its all been taken by touch screen garbage.

The sad thing is, GTK and its css classes are probably the best potential for good UI, just the fat finger touch screen requirements has it borderline unusable for a professional desktop.

[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I just hate how the CSDs keep moving the title buttons around depending on how wide the header bar is. I want my buttons in the exact same place and order no matter what. If I have to think about how to minimize/maximize/close a window for a tenth of a second it's too long.

They also regularly take away very useful menubars and that's even worse in my opinion.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

GNOME looks like if Fisher-Price made a My First Linux Desktop baby toy, it just bothers me for some reason.

[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's because they're engineering their desktop for first time users who look first, then click. Having things visually "tidy" without too much "clutter" or anything that might make them feel overwhelmed is what they're looking for. Being predictable, consistent, or able to learn by muscle memory is less important. If you're measuring success based primarily on increasing number of users, onboarding is by far the most important aspect of design.

Seasoned users of a piece of software know exactly where the button/menu/tool they want is, and their needs are often directly contrary to a first time user's needs. These users want the element they're looking for to be accessible in as few actions and little thought as possible.

The ideal software that you would use day to day is able to be approachable, but holds your hand while you become a seasoned user. Menubars were ideal for this. Every function is laid out for new users to look through. You have spacial memory for where each function is organized. On MacOS and a couple linux desktop environments functions with a keyboard command associated would have that command displayed beside them (and you can even set one if one doesn't exist, or change one that does), gently assisting you to use the program more easily. Several desktops also offer searchable menubars which is just another layer of convenience. Big shiny buttons for common functions and a hamburger menu are simply a step backward from the traditional menu bar.

You're only a new user of a piece of software once. At best GNOME, the party in control of GTK and design for a huge swath of software, refuse to play ball and cooperate with the rest of the linux/FLOSS desktop ecosystem. At worst they want to impose their frankly annoying Fisher-Price design on everyone else while calling you an out of touch elitist for resisting this.

[–] sakuraba@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

careful bud you are lacking empathy for gnome devs /j

[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this a reference to one of their crashouts I missed? I stopped paying attention to them lol

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No, just someone that responded to my comment earlier. Apparently I need to start volunteering in my community more because I don’t think Gnome looks good, as if I didn’t just cook and distribute meals with my local food not bombs yesterday 🙄

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm using it since it came and actually got used to it directly, the search engine was efficient enough so I could skip the use of a mouse to open the few GUI I need

I could probably use something lighter but doesn't feel the need of, I have already so many unfinished projects that spending time on setting up something when this works without change seems useless.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Oh absolutely no judgement on the people that use it, it’s just that’s the design language it reminds me of. I typically use KDE on bare metal Linux installs and xfce on my VMs, but like 99% of my Linux usage is in a full screen terminal running tmux so at the end of the day the desktop environment I’m running doesn’t matter at all.

And yeah I completely get the aversion to changing a set up that works.