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Communist China producing more billionaires than the US this year. Clearly most people are confused about what is really going on. I suppose years of anti-China propaganda has lead to some of this confusion.
There is a difference between confusion/lack of knowledge and willful ignorance though.
Just because the People's Republic of China is ruled by the "Communist Party" in an authoritarian manner doesn't mean that China still has a communist socio-economic order. The regime opened up to significant capitalist elements decades ago, allowing market forces and private enterprise. It's not communism that's generating those billionaires. Just sayin'.
Neither is it capitalism that's exiling, imprisoning, and executing billionaires when they defy the Party. Just sayin'.
Not when they break the law, when they break the law in such a way that it hurts other capitalists. You are allowed to use and abuse the average citizen, just don't steal another billionaire's share of the pie.
It's capitalism on turbo, but they also have all the means of manufacturing everything so they don't depend on a competing state.
It's still late stage capitalism, but it'll probably exist in that for a lot longer the US empire, which is collapsing because it prioritized short term profit over long term sustainability and now that china caught up in quality and pretty much surpassed it in reputation, it's beyond repair.
So they're desperately trying to control oil supply around the world, to maintain value of the petrodollar.
Everything you said seems pretty accurate. Communism is just propaganda as it always was in China.
Mao was a very different kind of beast than the current senior administration. My point is that 21st century China is basically carrying out the playbook that the US superpower developed in the second half of the 20th century. We've seen a lot of this stuff before... it's just that the weight is clearly shifting toward China, now that the US administration is eating up itself. Except that the Chinese leadership isn't even trying to pretend it follows democratic ideals. It's both fascinating and terrifying to watch.
We can disagree that communism was always a window decoration. I see actions and I don't really give much weight to obvious propaganda.
China is just another fascist nation at this point as reliant on the US as US is on it. Both are intertwined economically and it shows. Our "enemy" the number one trading partner of the US and our other "enemy".
The propaganda never ends and reality is harder than ever with thousands of bullshit excuses and reasonings given for all the garbage governments do.
There are no major nations that deserve humanity at this point. I am under no illusion that there are no good guys especially with the US.
Okay. Now I understand what you meant, but I still don't see what point you're getting at. China is in no way Communist.
My confusion stems from the fact that you absolutely refuse to clearly say what you mean, and instead make vague allusions to... something or other.
Is it really that hard to just clearly write out the argument you wish to make?
I was just saying most people don't know. You clearly know.
It is not very common, even on Lemmy, to have people think that China is not actually practicing communism. Even though, for instance, they produced more billionaires than the US this year.
Ah, right. I finally understand what we've apparently been talking about. See, if instead you wrote: "I was just saying that most people don't know that China isn't Communist." then everything would be immediately clear rather than a guessing game. I think you'd really help yourself be less easily misunderstood if you try to be mindful of whether your statements are fully qualified.
We're trying our best, but humans aren't telepathic. I'm not saying that you don't know what you're talking about, but the rest of us don't -- unless you tell us.
But we got there in the end, and it seems we're now on the same page.
As I said in my original statement being most people are confused by what is really going on. They have been led astray not just about communism but a whole lot more than that.
You probably should have see this as complimentary, but I suppose I could see you personalizing this so my apologies.