The Deprogram Podcast

It's interesting becuase even when I'm aware that another person is wrong about a topic, one that they still know more about, I still interogate their thought process.

For example, I'm not an expert on Moroccan-Algerian politics, however I have people close to me who are Moroccan. Recently I was at a celebration where I got to interact with many of these people, largely all relatives or inlaws of eachother. I'm aware that Morocco is a western puppet, however I'm not well enough informed to make definitive statements on the matter, especially considering the people who were around me.

Anyways, I managed to breach the topic of Ibrahim Traore, who was universally popular among the people there. Atone point I briefly mentioned the AES having had interactions with Algeria, which obviously struck a chord with a more nationalist Moroccan.

This person, went on to explain various different events and their perspective on it. Now, I was aware that they definitely had a tilted view of Morocco as some pan-african bastion, mainly due to their exploration into realms that I was more familiar with. Yet, I still engaged with this person in order to better learn their perspective and perhaps construct an understanding that was actually legitimate rather than a campaign to glorify the Moroccan king.

Frankly I don't understand why western leftists refuse to even engage with different view points. Even if you have a vast knowledge of the topic, understanding how someone with a different experience has come to understand that topic, even if less refined, is very useful to learning about propaganda. The problem is they're usually not as aware of their own ignorance, yet they assume anyone countering it is somehow malicious.

That Moroccan Nationalist was not inherently malicious, his live of the AES proves to me that he had a genuine interest in African sovereignty in his heart, yet he was still affected by propaganda counter intuitive to his goal.

Another person I'd spoken with at the celebration was an avowed supported of Elon Musk, yet he also engaged with me, and agreed that China has a system worth learning from, along with praising Ghadaffi as an exceptional leader whom he loved more than any other.

Was his support of Musk obviously atrocious? Yes, however he'd not even read Ghadaffi, which I highly suggested he did. That is a person who is interested in hurting their working class interest. It was someone who did not have the resources to better understand systematic critique.

I'm blessed to be able to properly discuss the theory and application of Communism in a Muslim gathering and be met with good faith inquires. Yet among fellow "leftists" it can be like speaking to a brick wall.

Apologies for the rant, but I felt like relaying my experience with different ideological actors.