I'm reposting my summary of the 2 hour podcast from the other thread because the full podcast is much, much worse than just this one tweet. Newsom does say that he supports transgender people but in a sort of spineless type of way; he says that he supports gender transition as a decision made by a doctor. Everything Gavin says is dogshit. He agrees with Ben on pretty much everything. Fuck Gavin Newsom.

The whole podcast is 2 hours long and it is pretty clear that the purpose is that he's trying to signal civility politics. Ben Shapiro says that both sides are on wrong in the Renee Good shooting, that he thinks Trump is avoiding responsibility but also he likes ICE. Gavin Newsom says he agrees.

They are disagreeing about sanctuary cities. Gavin says he supports them and Ben opposes. Cops used to support sanctuary cities because undocumented migrants are more willing to report crimes. Racists hate sanctuary cities because they don't want any migrants.

At 27 minutes in the podcast, Gavin Newsom says that Kamala Harris ran on abolishing ICE in 2024 and that he didn't support Kamala for that reason. No the fuck she didn't say abolish ICE. Kamala put out multiple campaign ads saying that she would fund ICE more than Trump would.

Ben spends a whole lot of time saying that Democrats shouldn't take Trump's threats seriously. An example being that Trump keeps saying he wants to run for a third term. He says like that Democrats are overreacting and that they should be happy to have the American system. That Democrats should be happy to lose because they still have opportunities. Is Ben getting notes from Chuck Schumer?

Ben talks about his previous employee Candace Owens blaming Israel for murdering Charlie Kirk and implies that she is wrong for using the tragedy to push a political agenda. Then Ben blames Charlie Kirk's death on transgender people.

Ben talks about Tucker Carlson for the same reason as Candace Owens. Ben says that Tucker is too much of a populist. Ben says that Tucker Carlson has "Noam Chomsky foreign policy". Gavin interrupts him to say that he has also read Chomsky.

Ben yaps a bunch about how young people today have more opportunity than any previous generation ever and that they need to just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Gavin just nods along.

They talk shit about Zohran Mamdani supporting 'collectivism'.

Gavin says that he agrees with Ben Shapiro on a "need to shut the southern border",

Ben says Trump hasn't started any wars. Gavin interjects that he did at least 6 major military operations. Ben says it doesn't count because troops weren't on the ground. Ben says he loves what Trump is doing in Gaza. Gavin says what about Greenland. Ben laughs.

Ben and Gavin both agree on using the terms "crony capitalism" and "state capitalism".

Ben says that Zohran Mamdani is more antisemitic than Nick Fuentes because Mamdani "refused to say that Hamas is a terrorist group". Gavin interrupts to say that "Hamas is a terrorist group and they should be denounced" and "I went to Israel a few weeks after October 7 and I met with Bibi".

Ben says that "Israel did not commit a genocide in Gaza" and that democrats are trying to say that they did. Gavin agrees. Gavin tries to be ambiguous and says that he can't say that Israel committed a genocide because he doesn't know the "legal definition" of genocide.

Gavin tries to do like a soft Zionism position by saying that he doesn't like Netanyahu but he does like Israel.. This is a common strategy for Democrats, they pretend to hate a designated villain but let the villain operate freely.

Gavin says "I like bringing the hostages home". Gavin says "I'm crystal clear about denouncing Hamas. I'm crystal clear on my love for Israel. I'm crystal clear about my condemnation for Bibi."

Ben says that Netanyahu is not right wing enough.

Ben says Iran is killing 10s of thousands of people in the streets. Gavin says that it was good when Trump bombed Iran. Gavin says he's not afraid to say this and that he's a free thinker.

Ben asks for Gavin to condemn transgender people. Gavin asks whether Ben would condemn Trump's policies in support of gender affirming care during his first term. Ben boasts that his company has had a "no preferred pronouns policy" since 2015 and that his employees may only use "biological pronouns". Gavin says that his position on transgender people is that it should be a decision between doctor and patient.

Near the end of the interview, Ben explains that his worldview (written in his book) is that there are 2 types of people, people who build vs people who destroy. Ben has previously said that he believes that Palestinians and Arabs are "people who destroy" and that Israelis are "people who build". Then Ben says that people who try to do populism are "people who destroy". If you try to make society more equitable, Ben says you are "people who destroy". If you never try to change society, Ben says you are "people who build".

Ben says that corporate landlords are an example of "people who build". He says that corporate landlords offer better living conditions and rates than "mom and pop landlords". He gives Charlotte NC as the example.

Gavin says that he wishes he had time to ask Ben about Xi.

In the last few minutes of the show, Gavins asks about future elections. Ben says that he thinks that Republicans will struggle in the midterms because Trump is not on the ballot. Ben says that Marco Rubio will be more likely to be the Republican President in 2028 than JD Vance.

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