Indeed, and thats a big if, given that the progovernment protests also against foreign interference were by orders of magnitude larger. Look its impossible to pretend to care for iranians, if you trust us and israel in their intentions. Thats simmilar to say if nazis helped russians overthrow their soviet gvmt. Now i wonder did some russian disident make such a claim?

And again noone is defending the gvmt for the sake of it. What the point is, that foreign backed coup, like the one in syria, would give horrendous results, and it would help far worse governments like the israels genociders. Also in no way would this get iran closer to good defense. After they get nukes, then they will be safe.

But dont get me wrong, under shah absolutely i would have supported the revolutionary gvmt. They are at least iranian, not foreign owned. And they were indeed revolutionary.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who out there is trusting the US and Israel? I'm just saying them being on one side doesn't mean the other side is the right one. If Iranians want to take down their theocratic conservative government I'm all for it, no matter who decided to support it.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

because replacing an internal semi dictatorial gvmt with foreign engineered collapse doesnt produce freedom, it produces Iraq, Syria, libya etc

its simmilar to argument that nazis offered russians a chance against stalin. technically true, catastrophically immoral, and lethal in practice

I agree if we ignore context then no issue. i mean you respond to none of my points, this is like talking at a wall. Reread my previous comment and respond to what i actually wrote. For example whats wrong with th syriam socialism? Why dont you appreciate that gvmt? Didnt syrians want it?

also your claim rests on some iranian people, yet the progvmt demonstrations were far larger. Can you explain this issue?

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Foreign engineered

That sounds very much like the line the government is using to dismiss the protests. I'm not sure it is true, consider how real the grievances the people have are.

Also you constantly making up positions I have and attacking those, then being surprised that I ignore them. If you don't want to engage with what I'm saying and instead engage with something else, then what's the point of me replying to that?

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

which of my points did you react to? I cant see single one, are you unable or unwilling? Whats wrong with syrian socialism?

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I quoted the part

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ok this isnt a serious debate

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I had no idea you were trying to do a serious debate. You wrote so much weird irrelevant stuff that had nothing to do with what I had said that I just thought you wanted to just argue

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

lol, you compared mossad to lenin, bruv what position you have to say whats a weird claim

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No I didn't. You could quote the part here where you think I sair that and you'd notice for yourself. This is exactly why I didn't think you were trying to be serious.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Yes you said that foreign infiltration brought people like lenin. Thats how this began, when you tried to use this to not see an issue with us and mossad infiltration.