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- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
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Well, problem 1 is using indeed. What an obsolete site for most places. But i get the joke.
Not that prospects are much better elsewhere. Like LinkedIn for instance with their “click here for instant apply” and then you see that you’re one of 50 people (today) to apply for this open role and some AI in the background estimated based on your profile that you have 22% chance of getting the job BUT if you pay for premium you can knock that 22% up to 50% and an AI writes you a better profile…
I really do feel sorry for the crap the boomer gen and even my generation (genx) has left every generation after.
#eattherich
What should I be using then?
If you listen to the crowd on here, a guillotine on the ruling classes.
Well obviously, I meant beyond that
LinkedIn and Indeed combo still work fine, but personal network is age old and never not the best choice.
"personal networking" feels a lot like just saying "go fish in a bathtub"
It means "be rich".
People who have to work 40 hours a week, plus do their own cooking and cleaning, plus all their own errands, plus taking care of the kids or pets, don't have time to network.
There's a reason politics is filled with rich lawyers and finance people, and it because they have the luxury of networking.
No, networking means maintaining healthy relationships with your peers, friends, and coworkers from all your previous jobs and telling people you're looking for one.
If there's no luck there, then yes, you suck it up and go to the gutter pile of Indeed, classifieds, and doing work you never wanted to do lol.
anyone who says 'networking' is a charlatan imo. at least try to word it like a human being while giving advice
I agree, I put in the shoes of HR and Management, I CAN FEEL YOUR DESPERATION, you are acting like an attention whore and this smells in KILOMETERS.
Depends on how big your bathtub is. But really. Knowing people in your field is always helpful.
It's basically useless when you've tried your network and it's all dead ends. This advice feels like the "don't be ugly" of the employment world.
Also, if you are the "first" in your family for something (first college grad/first grad school grad, etc.), you have a HUGE disadvantage to those who have family members that can give well-informed opinions and advice. This was especially true in law school - students with lawyers in their family did far better during and immediately after law school than those students (like me) who were first to graduate college, let alone first for an advanced degree. And by "far better" I don't simply mean "daddy got them a great job straight out of law school," I'm talking about better academic performance, better utilization of available school career resources, better networking skills, you name it.
Dude I got a PhD and tried to get a tenure track job. I'm from a family of dirt farmers and had no advice on how to break into academia. Your words couldn't be more true.
Yeah there's that about the dead ends. Been there as well. My own field now has a lot more gains to be had from networking. Past ones, not so much. Maybe it depends on the nature of the job as well? I'm not sure. I imagine it's a lot more helpful in sales.
I'm not great at it myself honestly. I could really learn from my spouse. She's an SME in a niche field and literally every job after the first one, she was recruited by someone in her network. But that's neither here, nor there.
Anyway, that's all I got. Rant over.
I got a lot of this advice trying to get into academia. From what I found, knowing someone somewhere is actively detrimental to getting a job. Not only will you not get a job because of your connections, people will avoid giving you a job because hiring from a network speaks ill of the academic rigor of the institution. Whether it's real or not, the image is maximal meritocracy, and that means the traditional advice from the corporate world is useless.
CV library gets me some calls from recruiters, be prepared for spam/WhatsApp scams though
Is that really the way? I mean, there’s just not enough of the ruling class to go around for everyone to have their turn.
Sharing is caring, I guess!
Something the ruling class does not do
I'm listening...
I agree
Depends on your level and job. Honestly I’m still going to say LinkedIn in most cases, if only because Its the professional social network. Companies can look you up, so you need a good profile to attract those recruiters that pay to find people. It’s a sick game, but at least now there are AI profile services that can help you get ahead.
Indeed is cheap and used by cheap recruiters to get the most applicants directed to some other job board that costs them near nothing to aggregate resumes. You can’t even be sure you’re using the company job site to apply in some cases. At least with LinkedIn you can do the searching for the real job post.
A gun pointed at your head
I've had a lot of response back through LinkedIn. Landed one of my jobs through it. Other three were personal and professional connections.
All of the jobs I've had in my life, that I didn't get through personal connexions, I've found on glassdoor.
Glassdoor has got to be the worst name for a job site. Evokes the phrase "glass ceiling" which is not something that anyone wants to have at their job.
Except indeed has replaced every job listing and recruitment. Even the "top" recruiting firms now are doing all their work on indeed.
Yep. Comes down to money and they can’t make big money off you if you hide behind the great LinkedIn pay wall. Look, recruiters like everyone else are trying to milk every penny out of their sale (you). You say “top” but are they exclusive? Are you applying at the company portal? Can you find this job yourself and apply direct? Top recruiters doesn’t mean as much as is used to. Right now you’re one of 30 applicants being submitted by a semi-competent recruiter that uses a tool to evaluate how much your resume fits and how much profit they can make if they bring you in under the salary range.
Indeed is a crap job site used by cheap recruiters. at least with LinkedIn you’re better armed with searching.
At my last job I got sick of the management so I just did easy apply to like 50 jobs that were suitable as they came up. Actually got my current job from it. Unfortunately probably won't happen now since there are like 20k laid off people looking in my field.
I have applied to over 500 jobs on LinkedIn. I got one interview. I swear sometimes that it's all just a hamster wheel and nobody ever gets a job through it.
From my experience smaller companies are more likely to respond to them. I also prefer smaller companies so it's a filter for me. That and it's like 0 effort haha