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London’s murder rate has dropped to its lowest in more than a decade with police in the capital and the mayor saying it is now one of the safest cities in the western world.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

And still the fascists will claim that the country is on fire and needs to be cleansed of all immigrants. Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades despite increased immigration, but still right wing parties are rising everywhere.

[–] plyth@feddit.org -2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades

One counter example: Germany 2023.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-violent-crime-reaches-15-year-high-report/a-68758122

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You are demonstrating how the far right fearmongers so well. Picking one single statistic and spread it without necessary context and overblowing its relevance. That's Blöd-Zeitung's level.

[–] plyth@feddit.org -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Highlights, from the EU, so not just Germany:

The number of intentional homicides in the EU increased by 1.5% in 2023, compared with 2022.

Police-recorded crimes against property in the EU increased in 2023: thefts rose by 4.8%, robberies by 2.7% and burglaries by 4.2% compared with the previous year.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Crime_statistics

The overall trend was declining so far but it could be that we have reached the bottom. I haven't said that the trend is wrong. I actually stressed that it is one counter example.

As you write, that doesn't mean that the trend is wrong but we also can't assume that everything is still alright without making sure that it is.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

Again, there is missing a lot. A breakdown for countries, some context for victims (femicides in family context are mentioned, but not a lot more), motivation for property related crimes etc.
The problem is, conveying this kind of context is a complex task while it is very easy to oversimplify and overexaggerate cherrypicked statistics that fit a certain narrative, and right wing populists are exceptionally good at riling up the populace with the latter.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 31 minutes ago

I agree with the worries, but by the same logic the number from the headline should also be treated as an outlier.

Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades despite increased immigration, but still right wing parties are rising everywhere.

This is a setup for failure. If the numbers are not dropping anymore and the left wing is not ready to acknowledge it then they can't understand why right wing parties are rising. It's not all just fearmongering that convinces people to vote for the right wing.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 9 points 3 hours ago

There will always be outliers on these trends. One high year in the middle of a 20 year decline doesn't break the trend.