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The Flock saga continues.

A handful of police departments that use Flock have unwittingly leaked details of millions of surveillance targets and a large number of active police investigations around the country because they have failed to redact license plates information in public records releases. Flock responded to this revelation by threatening a site that exposed it and by limiting the information the public can get via public records requests.

Completely unredacted Flock audit logs have been released to the public by numerous police departments and in some cases include details on millions Flock license plate searches made by thousands of police departments from around the country. The data has been turned into a searchable tool on a website called HaveIBeenFlocked.com, which says it has data on more than 2.3 million license plates and tens of millions of Flock searches.

The situation highlights one of the problems with taking a commercial surveillance product and turning it into a searchable, connected database of people’s movements and of the police activity of thousands of departments nationwide. It also highlights the risks associated with relying on each and every law enforcement customer to properly and fully redact identifiable information any time someone requests public records; in this case, single mistakes by individual police departments have exposed potentially sensitive information about surveillance targets and police investigations by other departments around the country.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

that it is not interesting to talk about the ethics of some technology in an abstraction in cases where the actual tech is as it is actually implemented is clearly bad.

But that is what you are doing and I am saying that it is people who are responsible for the implementation.

[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Saying “tech is neutral” is a dodge. People say that to avoid thinking about the ethics of what it is they are doing.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

People are the ones who do things with tech; hence they are responsible for the actions. Tech is just an object with no will of its own to do right or wrong.

[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Last attempt, I swear.

By digressing to abstraction, good people can and do justify building tech for immoral purposes. It is irrelevant that tech is not inherently good or bad in cases where it is built to do bad things. Talking about potential alternate uses in cases where tech is being used to do bad is just a way of avoiding the issues.

I have no problem calling flock or facebooks tech stack bad because the intentions behind the tech are immoral. The application of the tech by those organizations is for immoral purposes (making people addicted, invading their privacy etc). The tech is an extension of bad people trying to do bad things. Commentary about tech’s abstract nature is irrelevant at that point. Yeah, it could be used to do good. But it’s not. Yeah, it is not in-and of-itself good or bad. Who cares? This instantiation of the tech is immoral, because it’s purposes are immoral.

The engineers who help make immoral things possible should think about that, rather than the abstract nature of their technology. In these cases, saying technology is neutral is to invite the listener to consider a world that doesn’t exist instead of the one that does.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I have no problem calling flock or facebooks tech stack bad because the intentions behind the tech are immoral.

And did those assemble themselves to be evil? Or did someone make them that way?

To go back go my openCV example it is just tech. It does not become a lpr with a cop back end until flock configures it that way

The engineers who help make immoral things possible should think about that

Yes, exactly my point.