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GIF is an acronym first and foremost. Acronyms are invented by their creators who get to decide the pronunciation. No one is arguing that NASA, LASER, RADAR, MRSA, etc. are pronounced any differently because they don't follow 'English language rules'.
I knew someone with the initials A.S.S. They didn't go by that, they went by Ace. They came up with that because their initials reminded them of it and they liked it better. Are you instead going to call them Ass because you know that's what their initials spell, even though you know that isn't the name they want to go by?
The pronunciation is devoid of the spelling with acronyms. It never matters, and is always decided by the creator. With GIF they chose the pronunciation for several reasons:
Notably it's not one person that is deciding this pronunciation, though Steve was the inventor, the entire CompuServe company agreed on the pronunciation. It was written in the manual, and even the creators of .png agreed with the pronunciation (https://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngintro.html)
Here is a picture from CompuServe's magazine showing the correct pronunciation (it's a product, it has a correct pronunciation) (you can read the entire article here )
Another fun fact
fun quote about the subject:
The public decides. That's how language works. It's Gif with a hard G.
You're assuming "the public" has reached a uniform consensus, which it certainly hasn't.
Your argument is like a politician saying "people love me, they say I'm the best." It's an appeal to an abstract entity as a placeholder for your own opinion.
Even if you had data backing up your claim, that would still be an appeal to popularity, which is a logical fallacy.
I have literally never heard someone say "jif" outside of an online post claiming people do.
I've always pronounced it jif. Just because you're ignorant of the other side doesn't mean your side is right
I didn't say it does. Language is not prescriptive. I'm just wondering if this is as much a scam as Flat Earth. Insofar that I doubt the sincerity of people saying that, but I realise that might just be because I'm biased for some reason.
I just have never heard anyone saying "jif" and hearing it makes me think of a semi-computer-illiterate boomer who's reading a file-ending aloud to their nephew while never having heard anyone say it out loud.
Again, I realise that's probably not true, but it's the mental image I get.
That's funny, because pronouncing it with a hard g sounds just as silly to me.
And it's nothing like flat earth. The earth's shape is a matter of science and empiricism; there's a wealth of evidence confirming that it's spherical, and nothing credible suggests otherwise. Flat earther arguments are completely disingenuous; it even started as irony and anyone who believed it has serious defects. Even Aristotle knew the earth was round by the way a ship's mast appears on the horizon before the hull.
Pronunciation isn't a matter of empiricism. All language is a social construct. It wouldn't make sense for Brits and americans to argue over who pronounces a word the "correct" way. Even in america, people won't agree on words like "pecan" or "crayon."
But for some reason anyone who pronounces gif with a hard g has this really arrogant attitude towards anyone who pronounces it with a soft g. It's really weird.
If people actually read the comments they reply to ffs
Also the difference you're trying to explain is called prescriptivism vs descriptivism
I think you're proving my point, but go off
I think you're proving my point, tbh. You didn't properly read my comment and you're going on about "empiricism of language", which means you don't understand the terms "prescriptive" / "descriptive".
No, I definitely read your comment, but it seems like you didn't properly read mine. I specifically said that empiricism doesn't apply to language, as a counter to your argument that pronouncing it "jif" is comparable to being a flat earther.
I understand prescriptive vs. descriptive just fine, but you're the one making a prescriptive argument for something that's categorically descriptive. You're just so confused that you're projecting that onto me.
The fact that you don't understand how badly you're misusing those terms instead of talking about prescriptivism and descriptivism is what shows how little you know.
It's not "empicisim" you dolt, which you'd know if you had any understanding of the subject.
Now you're trying to use the terms, but fail hard.
I never even argued there's even a single prescriptive rule, and I never would, because unlike you, this isn't the first time I'm hearing the terms and I thus don't make prescriptive arguments. You can look at my comment, it's not been edited.
Point out a single prescriptive rule I even remotely imply. Oh there isn't one?
How odd.
I know it's not, jackass. That's why I said it doesn't apply. I only brought up empiricism to address your comparison to flat earthers, which is a matter of empiricism.
But since you're so intent on butchering what I say in order to shape it into whatever nonsense argument you find easier to counter, you're clearly not interested in having a serious debate and thus I no longer take you seriously.
Goodbye.
You've just no idea how ignorant you are? :D Yes, you specifically connected it to the concept. Negative or positive, doesn't matter. It shows how you conceptualise the idea.
That's why it's so wrong.
Empiricism would constitute both descriptive and prescriptive language, only prescriptive language less so. What you're trying to do is prescribe rules to language, and because you don't even understand what youre doing, you don't even have the words for it. Which is why you're now pathetically trying to pretend you knew those words before I pointed this out to you.
It's a good comparison to flat earthers, because you're equally ignorant of your own ignorance. It's a veery different subject, but youre still quite as unable to understand what you understand as they are.
Oh yeah "I no longer take you seriously, goodbye" as if that isn't the mating cry of every fucking moron proved utterly incorrect and who has to run away in shame.
Everything you're saying is projection.
I didn't "connect" empiricism to language. You compared my argument to a flat earth argument. I debunked that claim by explaining that flat earth theory can be debunked empirically, and phonology cannot because it is not within the realm of empiricism. If that sounds like a connection to you, then it's entirely based on you connecting pronunciation to flat earth theory in the first place.
And you're being childish for trying to twist that to make it look like I made the mistake that you did.
I understand prescriptive and descriptive language just fine, and you're being arrogant by assuming that I don't. You simply can't admit that you're wrong, so you attack me as if I don't know what I'm talking about.
That's not what I'm doing at all. That's what you're doing. I argued that the people who insist that "gif" with a hard g is the only correct way are wrong and arrogant. I said I pronounce it with a soft g, as in "jif." I never said everyone must pronounce it that way, therefore I did not make a prescriptive argument
You, on the other hand, did make a prescriptive argument by saying that only the pronunciation with the hard g is the right way. So again, that's more projection.
Pot, kettle, black.
I'm not "running away in shame," I'm simply capable of recognizing when someone isn't capable of engaging in good faith argumentation, and I have more self-respect than to waste my time on people like that.
😂
whatever you need to tell yourself Just take the L (which you probably pronounce as Û) and go back to bed.
Dictionaries are correct, you're not. 💪😘
Not for proper nouns they don’t. Just because you pronounce my name taylor doesn’t mean you’re right. I get to decide how to pronounce my name, not you.
Both pronunciations are acceptable because different people pronounce it different ways. That's how language works. Eventually one or the other pronunciation may win out as so few people pronounce it any other way. We're not anywhere near that point yet.
Never have I ever heard anyone saying "jif" outside of a humouristic clip / antagonistic post online.
So close.
99.9999...% = 100 % so yeah. You also need to take the L :)
Lif? Ew, no.
You don't understand how language works. Someone can indeed come up with an acronym and insist that there is a correct pronunciation. But we, the masses, can correctly decide that it's stupid and use a better one.
And absolutely none of that applies to proper nouns, especially not completely made up ones. The public doesn’t get to decide how to pronounce my name, I do. Same for any proper noun.
Of course you do get to have a preference for how people should pronounce your name, because you are a person who can have a preference. They way you just apply that to all proper nouns is wrong, though. An acronym is not a person. It has no preference to how it wants to be pronounced. We, collectively, can absolutely decide that the way it once was intended to be pronounced is utterly dumb and pronounce it in a much saner way.
English doesn’t have rules, it has exceptions, and there are absolutely no rules for acronyms besides needing to be said as a word, so no there is no “saner way” than the actual name.
Here’s the thing though, you can pronounce it however you like, you’ll just be wrong.
You are very self-important if you automatically assume English is God's language
I assume there is no god. And English is my third language.
Give it a few days and people will be pronouncing it yod.
I'm sorry but this is hilarious, and I'm in the "jif" crowd...
So, no jifts from above?
That's disingenuous, because the letter g has multiple pronunciations. Good job, you identified one word that begins with a hard g. All I have to do to counter that argument is identify a word that begins with a soft g: general.
So, "jod" is hilarious, but "jift" is disingenuous?
I don't get it, but I guess it's fine.
Also, I was trying to go by the fact that "gift" has the same 2 letters after the 'g' as "gif", which tends to be an often stated thing when people try to make a semblance of logic^[people tend to look at the previous and next letter, and if that one is a consonant, then maybe also the 2nd, previous and next letter.], explaining why something is pronounced the way it is, in English (and then also used in comedies, where all of that logic fails due to exceptions everywhere).
For pronunciation in the English language, I consider that there is often not a logic behind it, but a history. And from that POV, "jif" would be the correct one (∵ the creators). But I still pronounce it "gif", because:
.gifin a file name and there was noone to tell me how it was pronounced. I went with G.I.F. until I felt like calling it "gif" with the logic of "gift". Then again, I heard quite a few people call it "gif" and it set in.'Ginger' and 'ginko' both start with 'gin' yet the former is a soft g and the latter a hard g. Just because it starts the same doesn't mean the pronuncuation needs to be.
"jod" was clearly meant to be humorous, and the delivery was perfect. "Jift" was either an attempt at a real argument, or else it was piggybacking on the previous joke making it unoriginal in addition to poorly delivered.
Also, how do you pronounce giraffe?
giraffe of course :P
Like, as in "jiraffe" or are you literally saying "guh-raffe"?
gee-raf
That still doesn't tell me whether you're using a soft g or a hard g
At this point only IPA can help, only it uses the same symbol, smh:
ɡɪˈrɑːfEdit: it looks like monospace doesn't render IPA properly: ɡɪˈrɑːf
This is all very well thought out and I think for the most part is true that what the original creator wanted should be respected.
2 counter points however...
Sometimes the creator comes up with a stupid name.
Sometimes cultural influence is simply more powerful than the Creator's original intent. Exhibit A: everyone calls it "The Bean" and not "Cloud Gate" as named by the artist. Not an acronym, but I still think cultural influence should be considered.
Yeah, "human spider" wouldn't have caught up well either.
Not to this programmer, it isn't. I have no idea what they're referencing.
Jif is an Amerifat brand of peanutbutter which sometimes contain salmonella.
In the UK we call that M-R-S-A (and we've had enough well publicised outbreaks in hospitals for people to become familiar with the term). I remember watching House when I was younger and being confused about what the fuck "mercer" was.
are simply not America.
American consumer foods
I think I grew up with jif but swapped to gif, never noticed or wondered why until now.