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I don't think it's that simple. If you were a good citizen you'd stop the bad ones from doing bad things. Why haven't you? I see bad things all the time
Because it isn't my actual JOB, that's why. That's their job, that they applied for, and we PAY them to do. Nobody is forcing them to be cops. How are we supposed to trust them to clean up crime in our city, when they can't even clean it up in their own workplace?
If someone in my house was an active criminal, I WOULD do something about it, but it's not up to me to do anything about anyone else. That's called vigilante justice, and it's illegal. We hire COPS to do that. Then they won't, because it's too dangerous.
This sums up why the left is never winning a fucking thing anytime soon. It's not my job
Because we expect cops to do their jobs competently? Okay...
Why should I be doing the jobs that we pay cops to do? You're not making sense.
This is ridiculous. The argument was "ALL Cops Are Bad, even good ones, because they aren't cleaning up their own force," a reasonable position.
You have tried to morph it into "Because cops aren't doing their jobs, it falls to me to do their jobs for them, or I'M the bad person." And now I got to defend why I'm criticizing cops when I'm not willing to step up and do their jobs for them, a really dumb position I don't believe, that I'm not interested in defending, just because you tried to manipulate the conversation that way.
Stop moving the goalposts. Good cops are still bad because they allow bad cops to operate with impunity. The solution isn't to allow them to continue their corruption and abuse, and have citizens take over law enforcement duties as vigilantes, the proper solution is to rehabilitate the police force, and reconfigure it to follow the original mission of all law enforcement: to serve and protect.
That's the debate I wanted to have, and that's my position. You have no defensible position, so you have to reframe a new argument, which I'm not interested in having, especially with some who debates in bad faith.
Again, changing the subject. Just because it works like that with POLICE, does not mean it applies to all society. If there is trouble with a bad person in our neighborhood, we don't resolve it ourselves, we call the cops.
Why don't we do it ourselves? Because it is ILLEGAL, that's why. We don't handle criminals ourselves, we are CIVILIZED, and we hire professional law enforcement to handle our problems. It is now ILLEGAL to handle it ourselves.
Get it? I'm not bad because I don't handle crime myself. If I did, I would be the criminal. The point isn't to clean up society by breaking the law. The point is to demand that the law to do its job.
Your logic and Critical Thinking Skills need a lot of work.
In a lot of cases there is no crime to arrest them over. Or it is such a grey area that its essentially career suicide to even try. We have a greater ability to stop these cops then they do. We can stop them through Election and awareness and public actions. But also to my point we can change things by not investing in efforts to prevent other leftist from becoming police. I think we can criticize them while also encouraging each other that if we enter that profession things will change over time.
I also have a few more videos showing police are tired of ICE. There's a point here where we could actually have police being sick and tired of ice eroding any goodwill to them. These cops see ice as untrained thugs too. We need to be more strategic.
Not only is the person you're responding to an absolute moron, they're also purposefully engaging in bad faith.
Basic Russian shill which are a dime a dozen on Lemmy