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It's not scapegoating to state the simple fact that when people make a choice, they are responsible for it. Like the millions who voted for Trump, Stein, or stayed the fuck home. You can blame shitty campaigns too but I'm sick and tired of hearing how the voters are fucking blameless. Fuck that. Trump wouldn't have ever even been on the ballot if our populace wasn't dumber than a fucking brick. I am going to blame these dipshits and evil fucks for their actions and I absolutely should blame them.
Like letting off your war criminals and putting them on pedestals? Seems like an snowball effect to allow your presidents to do anything they please?
Seems like you're more responsible than you think for the state of things.
Try to make your presidents liable for their actions next time so you don't have to whine about it on the internet when you don't get your way?
We're sick and tired of it too.
Sorry your are tired of It. Your help would be most appreciated. As the saying goes, lead, follow, or get out of the way.
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It's not whataboutism to detail the list of failures from democrats that built the current situation we are in. They are weak party that offers little and provides less, and they fail to win much of anything because of it.
It is always whataboutism to try to shift the conversation to something you think you can argue for more easily.
Definitionally, talking about two causally linked things is not whataboutism. You could argue it's shifting blame, and I would still disagree, but at least it would be coherent.
Oh well, since I have something to prove to you and the thread doesn't speak for itself I will now spend 30 minutes arguing with you about it. Oh wait it's not 2019 anymore.
It is a bit academic at this point. I just hoped that liberals contend with the reality that you have to align with your voters, rather than always trying to set blame on the millions that stay politically disaffected.
Why do you punch down instead of punching up?
You are clueless. And you literally commented about 20 times after this so far. Latest of which is you lying your ass off and pretending Harris would be doing basically the same shit as trump with ice. Laughably false. Go away.
I feel like people blaming Harris, and those blaming the voters are talking past each other, and it isn't at all productive. Just like China and the USA can both be bad, it isn't an either/or situation.
I understand the frustration from both sides, and I'm also angry at all the dipshits who advocated for non-voting or voting third party in the face of obvious fascism, but I'm sick of seeing this same damn slap fight in every post. We should be focusing on the future, not bickering about the past. If we're going to build a coalition to defeat fascism—which is desperately needed—we can't spend our energy relitigating electoral failures, and castigating the disaffected.
Yes, Harris was a flawed candidate, running a misguided campaign. Yes, the people who didn't vote for her are responsible for our current situation. We have to move on to what we're going to do now.
Yep which is why we need to stop hearing about Harris.
I agree, and my comment probably ought to have been directed at OP. I just see you around a lot, and while I obviously empathize with your frustration, I think this line of argument is counterproductive.
I mean it probably is, and I probably could at least approach it more like you if I'm going to engage.