I refuse to believe any infighting like this, before even 1% of socialism has been achieved, isn't fedposting. We can discuss whatever, but why have a real fight about the kind of socialism before we escape the concentration camp? There's just no good reason.

[–] Sabbo@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What do you mean by "Literally nothing"?

If the standard of success is the maintenance of a state then anarchism will by definition never succeed. But if the standard of success is making the world better then you will need to change your perspective to be able to see the work of anarchists.

Our motto is security culture. If there were big glaring examples to point to then we wouldn't exactly be good anarchists. ;p

[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not talking of 'state maintenance' or QoL or whatever. I mean in terms of progressing western society out of its current fascist state, which I very much believe to be a fundamental part of achieving basically any definition of socialism and/or anarchism (beyond tiny communes). It seems like Fascism/Capitalism has as strong a hold as it ever did, and any slow crumbling its doing is just from its inherent contradictions.

I can point to nothing at all that suggests any leftists are making steady progress to actual change.

Do we all not share the largest hurdle of achieving any meaningful societal progress - booting our current fascistic societal structure to the curb?

[–] Sabbo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

Before I say anything else, I'm not going to refer to meatspace praxis as we are not in meatspace and if I say "go talk to people irl" then I'm merely perpetuating reactionary ableism.

A contradiction Marx overlooked is that so long as there is an underclass (Lumpenproletariat) all the ruling class needs to do to halt revolutionary action is to redefine the underclass to displace revolutionary momentum.

Why am I bringing this up? Because anarchism is the belief that by rejecting the class system we can bring about a more stable revolution.

"... The blossom is brother to the weed." A weed is simply a plant you didn't intend to grow, which has found refuge in the niches you left bare -- and evolution loves a niche. If we leave niches and pluck out whatever grows there then all we will grow is thorns.

I'd write more, but I'm at work rn. Hope that makes sense.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Edit: I just realized that I kind of misread your reply. Ignore this.