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Gotta counter the Lemmygrad propaganda going on here lately.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love how they will refuse to read responses and make up some bullshit instead, then complain about that.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 48 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They tried to say Cuba isn't socialist because it has a state, basically redefining socialism as either anarchism or communism. I know telling people to read theory doesn't work, but when they also refuse to even read lemmy replies I'm unsure if anything can be done without serious retrospection on their part.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

literally crawling all over db0

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They tried to say Cuba isn’t socialist because it has a state, basically redefining socialism as either anarchism or communism.

extremely telling that trying to explain the nuances of how time and external aggression affect revolutionary movements is 'trust me bro', they are clearly happy living in a land of pure imagination

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

hey how'd you get a picture of me?

fry

extremely telling that trying to explain the nuances of how time and external aggression affect revolutionary movements is 'trust me bro', they are clearly happy living in a land of pure imagination

Bingo, they just repeated that I "despise the working class" for supporting Cuba's system.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I find it incredibly intriguing when you in your efforts run into the liberal brainworm of "well I define the concept like this".
I see it happen most often when you explain what imperialism is to someone and they just can't get that words have meanings and it's not just a free-for-all of how we assign that meaning. Got really infuriating when you gave a bunch of academic sources for the concept of imperialism and the other user basically kept going back to "yeah, but that's not how I think people use it"

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

ughhh I just ran into someone who was insisting that advocating for a two state solution wasn't zionism, because they could imagine a two state solution where israel wasn't a violent settler state running an apartheid government. Me wanting to judge someone for advocating for a two state solution based on the actual-reality 'two state' solutions on offer was considered 'narrow and obtuse"

Some people just prefer to live in the mind palace.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Someone on here once wrote "sure, if everything was rainbows and gumdrops then that's how it would work" and I've used that a lot since

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yep, then the argument becomes about why words and concepts have the definitions they do. It's far more frustrating when you have to explain the utility of understanding what we call "imperialism" as a process driven by monopoly finance capital, how it works, etc, rather than just something broad like "influence." It's useful to understand concepts more deeply because you can do more with it in practice, like finding weak points and whatnot, but at that point the argument is entirely off of what it was originally about.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's what I like about materialism, if you're not dogmatic it's infinitely extendable

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's a classic debatebro tactic. Making things about semantics makes it basically entirely subjective and completely pointless.
I used to do this thing where I'd predict their behaviour before they did something and it'd usually shut them down. It's only something that should be done with people arguing in obvious bad faith, but still.

I've joked elsewhere about making a flowchart, but I do seriously think it'd be a useful tool to make users realise how much of their thoughts are just deeply ingrained propaganda

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Agreed! It's constant and doesn't actually say anything. I don't take issue with imperialism because of its name, but because of its real world causes and effects!

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You have the patience of a saint, I could never do what you do. You also have a wealth of knowledge. o7 to you for all your hard work

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's too much, I'm just a former libbed-up debatebro that's trying to put an addiction to a better use. I appreciate the kind words though, comrade!

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)