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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Downplaying and denying atrocities of red fascist states is not welcome here. This is your only warning.

Oh look, a Liberal is about to ban dissent from a progressive. Fuckin suprise suprise my guy!

As stated in the other thread correct attribution of causes is not denial or apologia. Did I deny the 1 million dead in the gulag system? Did I deny the famines?

...and on your point. The linked page and others elsewhere confirm Lysenko's ideas were on the rise before 1938, and were involved in the 1930s causes of Holodomor.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh look, a Liberal is about to ban dissent from a progressive. Fuckin suprise suprise my guy!

I'm a socialist, fuckwit.

As stated in the other correct attribution of causes is not denial or apologia. Did I deny the 1 million dead on the gulag system?

Admitting a million people died in the GULAG as a denial of the accusation that the USSR committed atrocities is not exactly compelling.

Did I deny the famines?

You're saying they were all caused by one little guy, just a little silly fellow with an idea, instead of admitting the systemic issues involved. So yes, that's denialism.

…and on your point. The linked page and others elsewhere confirm Lysenko’s ideas were on the rise before 1938, and were involved in the 1930s causes of Holodomor.

The linked wiki page clearly outlines Lysenko's career, and nothing about it suggests that his work became ultra-popular ten years early, when his career was still in its infancy, and caused the fucking Holodomor.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

that the USSR committed atrocities is not exactly compelling.

I literally called it a terrible system of political persecution.

The linked wiki page clearly outlines Lysenko's career, and nothing about it suggests that his work became ultra-popular ten years early

People don't just pop to the top, Lemarckanism was the debate of that age, and farming wasn't easy anywhere at the time, even America had shortages and famines due to the dustbowl.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 6 days ago

I literally called it a terrible system of political persecution.

It feels like a false equivalence to compare liberal-in-name governments to socialist-in-name governments after the horrors that the USSR and CCP unleashed upon the world.

Your response to this very simple statement:

You are incorrect, the mass famines of the USSR and CCP were mostly caused by a single conman, named Trofim Lysenko, who was lying about agricultural techniques/results in order to keep his job (taking his bag like a true economic opportunist):

To that point, even the Gulag system whilst being a horrible and targeted system of political persecution, even there the vast majority of victims survived (1 million died in Gulags, 17 million survived). So you’re adopting misinformation because you’re coopted into Capitalism.

People don’t just pop to the top, Lemarckanism was the debate of that age, and farming wasn’t easy anywhere at the time, even America had shortages and famines due to the dustbowl.

So now Lysenkoism isn't the work of a conman, but "the debate of that age" despite biologists having near-universally rejected Lamarckism since the late 19th century, and America had a famine too? Is that really where we're at?