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Brother, a South African Billionaire poured all the money he could into the last election until it was broken. An Australian media mogul set the stage for this with 30 years of propaganda and Europe themselves built a system of reliance on America, all of which were necessary steps to getting here. This doesn't happen without Fox news, without Elon Musk, or without Europe being so entangled in the US they can barely enact any sanctions without destroying their own countries.
And we let them do it
I don't remember having a say in Citizens United, or the defense contracts of other countries. I can say I've voted for every politician on my ballot that promised to challenge CU and reduce military spending though. But those votes aren't always democrats so half the time people tell me I waste my vote for it.
Yea, they keep lying to us about how ” The other “ is to blame if you don’t vote a certain way.
And i mean, at this point the damned outcome doesn’t feel much different in the end.
Voting isn't the only say you have in your nation. I heard so much about how the second amendment is to prevent tyranny. Tyranny is here.
How do you imagine the second amendment being used going? Tell me specifically what you're asking for because training and organizing takes time, so do plans against a military your country is deathly afraid of, but if what you want is random people shooting in the streets just say so, because that's easy but leads to Trump declaring Martial Law. So I really want to know what exactly do you want to see?
What I really want to see is Americans forming resistance communities, educating themselves, organizing, and preparing for a revolution in the United States. As non-violent of a revolution as is possible. I want to see class consciousness, solidarity and compassion spreading and community building. I want to see worker and housing co-operatives starting up to build an alternative to the state and capitalism. I want to see those resistance communities work together to establish an alternative currency.
My second choice would be a civil war.
Your country was founded on stolen land and has a history of doing this throughout your history. The nazis were inspired by your nation.
Stop blaming everyone else, take accountability, and accept that your country has to change itself.
Edit: So it seems this touched a nerve. I just wanted to edit to add that, of course, America isn't the only evil empire, it's just, at present, the worst evil empire.
Americans are, in my experience, very firmly in denial about the history of their nation, wanting to act like Trump is acting in some unprecedented way. He isn't, at all. This won't end when Trump is deposed. You need to change the spirit of your people.
You are not alone in that, of course, but we all need to admit it.
Fucking hot take from someone that doesn’t think about the stupid shit they say.
So my family is here literally because both grandparents escaped the Nazis. I’m not fucking here because of genocide in america, im here because of genocide in europe!
A genocide EUROPEANS didn’t handle let alone Germany!
Your words are meaningless. You don’t think about what America IS. Who really lives here!
That’s BEFORE the fact everyone took advantage of our military might while telling their citizens how much better they were because look at the cheap healthcare and education!
While they peep on the data of millions for the eyes of the surveillance state that is the USA in secret. For shame on everyone.
America is a fucking joke. Every American is at fault for all of the ills of the world. So fucking easy to be you, isn’t it? Offload all that bandwidth to people you don’t know, to think you’re above over a hundred million people. More people than most countries have in the usa and are against this. They vote in people who lied to them about leading them through this. All of our fucking allies helped in this charade!
Everyone is to fucking blame.
You are jumping to so many conclusions, I haven't claimed any of those things you seem to think I have.
The USA isn't alone and pretty much every country sucks. But the USA is the ruling country of the American Empire and it has been for nearly a century.
Honestly, I think you're just getting angry from the cognitive dissonance.
Just accept that your nation is the bad guys and that you need to change it. Yes, other people need to change too.
Honestly though, it's probably not going to matter, the US is in decline and pretty much is going to collapse soon.
There were only Native Americans before America was 'founded', so who exactly stole it, remind me?
I'm not trying to defend Europe. I am just pointing out that US Americans are responsible for the actions of the US, and that you should take responsibility for those actions.
Your argument is kind of like trying to blame any crimes I commit on my great great grandfather. You have agency.
You can be proud of your history, or ashamed of it. I am ashamed of my European nation for what it has done in the past. I believe that my country is a terrible place and has done terrible things. I would rejoice to see it dissolved and the rulers held accountable. I would cheer to see our entire government put on trial.
That was not my argument, that was the argument of the person I replied to when they decided the US being stolen was relevant. I literally only asked who stole it, that's is. There were no Americans until the American revolution. Just Natives and European colonists.
The implication is obvious: Americans didn't steal land, Europeans did! Then those Europeans became Americans so you can wash your hands of it.
It's your ancestors. It's your legacy. You benefitted from it.
Take accountability. I am not blaming you for it, but you are living in the consequences of it. In much the same way that the Japanese want to deny their WWII atrocities, US Americans want to deny their atrocities.
Poor powerless stupid Americans, but responsible for anything they country does.
Grow the fuck up.
All I've said is we're not the only ones who need to change which is pretty unarguable. It's so strange seeing people misinterpret that the second they feel called out. Why is it controversial for the top level commentor to ask for sanctions, aka ask for other people to aslo not support a war mongering country? Is that not what we all agreed was best to do to Russia? Or would sanctioning the US inconvenience you too much?