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I kinda want to see this fail in Europe. As in Google implements it and pisses the EU the fuck off. Please, I just want to see Google smacked in the mouth for implementing this, then losing billions fighting it in court while the EU implements digital sovereignty because the US can't be trusted.
Please. It's the only way people learn. First they have to lose something before understanding what it is they had.
Yes, because they've done such a good job reigning in Apple...
The EU commission has multiple ongoing cases against Apple. The opened a new one in April regarding their non-compliance on multiple fronts, including the app store (which is related to Google's bullshit). They have to give a response within 12 months which means that by 25 April 2026 we should have a response on what the EU will be doing.
The EU forced Apple to make their phones more repairable, they forced them to introduce USB-C charging for all their mobile devices (laptop, phone, and smartwatch IIRC), forced them to implement an alternative app store (very flawed implementation but see above), and probably more that I'm unaware of.
The EU isn't perfect, it's being influenced by the US, which have the goal of breaking it up), but they are doing something, which is more than can be said about most countries. I understand cynicism, but in this case, I still maintain that letting google fuck up Android would do the world a service, just like Trump is doing the world a service by fucking his country up. We may go through a few years (maybe decades if the US succeed in breaking up the EU) of difficulty because of it, but we will come out stronger afterwards.
Most people cannot and will not appreciate the EU and everything is has until they are impacted themselves.
That's all fine and dandy but Apple has been doing this shit for 20 years and the EU (and every other nation on the planet) has failed to do anything except force them to allow alternative app stores that Apple STILL MUST APPROVE and the developers STILL MUST PAY APPLE, so effectively nothing. It's not complicated. Mandate Apple to allow the installation of any and all alternative app stores and apps, and deny them any control over it. Not just Google and Apple, but all consumer hardware.
You accept that EU has started doing something and then demand they mandate something which they are in the process of doing.
Crapple built up their position to this point over 20 years in a time where the US were considered allies. Trump has luckily come about to change that perception and to allow the EU to stop being a bunch of pansies clammering to their daddy protector. They cannot piss of the US completely at the moment as it would take a single presidential order from a rampantly maniacal orange man to switch of most of Europe.
Change doesn't happen immediately. It's slow. Give it time.
They didn't start doing something, they've already done it. Apple has found loopholes and/or refused to comply. That's failure, as far as I'm concerned. Punishment should be swift and traumatic, or it's pointless. It shouldn't take years for the EU to enforce the laws they wrote.
You want immediate change. You're asking for the impossible and disappointed you're not getting it or that it isn't happening.
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That would be nice but it's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for expeditious change. There's absolutely no reason this should take more than even a year, except unnecessary bureaucracy.
Like I said, they've been doing for for 20 years, it should've been stopped 20 years ago. I have zero faith they will ever succeed.
I don't understand why you hope/advocate for Google to get a short-term win here if you don't also expect a short-term solution. You're wishing for a world where we all get fucked over and then have to sit around waiting for the wheels of bureaucracy to slowly turn instead of a world where we never get fucked over to begin with. Very strange priorities.
I don't expect a short term solution. Where did you read that?
If we keep android the way it is and just slowly boil the frog, there will be little to no incentive to spend lots of money and time on alternatives. If you seriously believe the majority isn't already getting fucked over by Scroogle and their spy devices, what world do you live in?
There isn't going to be an acceleration for a non-android phone if android still stays "acceptable". It's not like investments and developments in alternatives are going faster than bureaucracy. When do you expect we get a big third or fourth competitor in the smartphone OS market? Harmony by Huawei?
This is what the thread is about. No one is talking about privacy, that's a completely different discussion.