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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I was going to point out that if it isn't, in fact, the winter solstice, then it is arbitrary.

But I decided to start the new year without the pretentiousness and pedantic proclamations

[–] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Shit, if we all do that, it's gonna be real quiet around here.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We'll just enjoy the silence.

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 10 points 2 days ago

♪All I ever wanted. All I ever needed. Is Here. In my arms. Words are very unnecessary, They can only do harm.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

There's always room for more humble brags

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually this is a fair point. What counts as arbitrary? For me the slight drift is just due to the way calendars and culture works, and while it is more arbitrary than having it on the solstice. It is less arbitrary than having it on your(anyone who happens to read this) birthday. It's ultimately a matter of where you draw the baseline. Even if new year was on the winter solstice you could still argue that it's arbitrary because there are four others. Arbitrarity is relative.

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 3 points 1 day ago

The UTC is completely 100% arbitrary. The only reason it's there is because an observatory happened to be on a specific hill, and then it drifted a bit (like most human things do), but the UTC/GMT has since it's conception been completely arbitrary measurement. There isn't a way to define a 0 latitude on a rotating sphere without making it an arbitrary point.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if it isn’t, in fact, the winter solstice, then it is arbitrary.

That's not true though. The date is significant and not arbitrary, it's just not the winter solstice (anymore).

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually, there is no such thing as a 'winter solstice.' The start of the Northern winter is the start of the Southern summer.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure. But none of that makes New Years Day arbitrary by virtue of it not being, in fact, the winter solstice.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you use the equinoxes or the solstices you're still being arbitrary because there are two of each.

January 4 is the day of the year that the Earth is closest to the Sun [perihelion] That would be a good date, but there will be those who argue for stating the year when Earth is furthest away.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Okay, but why would that mean that New Years Day not being the winter solstice makes it arbitrary to celebrate on Jan 1?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's arbitrary because there's no moment that is the obvious beginning of the cycle.

That's the very definition of 'arbitrary'

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol -1 points 1 day ago

That moment is the moment the Julian calendar restarts. It's not arbitrary at all, and certainly not made so by virtue of it not being the/a winter solstice (your original statement).