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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

just to fully understand what you're saying

the people telling people believe that reading books in and of itself makes capitalism wither?

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think reading theory makes any major steps towards the destruction of capitalism, nor do I think telling working class people to read books on economic theory does.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The idea isn’t that reading theory will make capitalism wither away, but instead that correct theory informs correct practice. Theory helps us understand capitalism, socialism, imperialism, organization, class struggle, science, culture, art, and helps us figure out how to establish socialism. Trying to reject theory for a monumental task like establishing socialism is like refusing to study physics in trying to land on Mars.

Theory alone is worthless, just like practice without direction is. It's when we unify theory with practice that we can meaningfully change the world. Refusing to study how best to establish socialism means we will repeat the same mistakes over and over foolishly, rather than continuing the work of our predecessors.

[–] smenk@lemmy.ml -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If we wait until every affected individual is up to reading and understanding Marxist theory before combining it with practice then this movement is going nowhere. 'Correct practice' of a revolution? Really?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We don't need to, that's the point of vanguard parties. It's extremely unrealistic to expect everyone to dedicate themselves to theory, but far more reasonable for a dedicated group to study and organize. The broader working class eventually supports the vanguard and thus revolution can happen.

Yes, correct practice in revolution is necessary. The Shining Path in Peru failed miserably in creating a protracted people's war, alienated the peasantry, and collapsed the movement. Che Guevara tried to copy what worked in Cuba but failed to spread it. These are valuable lessons to learn, strategies to uphold or refuse to copy.

[–] smenk@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I agree that there has to be a group leading the planning and organization of the movement as a whole but I don't think that Lenin succeeded where others failed because of adherence to correct theory. The Bolsheviks certainly didn't all agree with each others interpretation of Marxism and I'd imagine that all of the uprisings you mentioned certainly had their own specific circumstances that derailed well meaning intentions gleaned from what someone believed was correct.

I'll personally get lots of use from your reading list, but I think it's important to understand that some of us will always gain a better understanding of what constitutes theory by seeing it applied to a particular performative action.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago

Lenin succeeded largely because he was more correct, and because the material conditions of Russia favored his analysis and practice. Theory without practice is worthless, as is practice without theory, they must be unified. You're correct in saying that each country has its own characteristics, but this is precisely why we need to actively practice to confirm that which is universal and that which is particular.