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Someone on Wikipedia added the following a few days ago:

China's HSR system as a whole, however, has incurred massive financial losses.[9] In terms of annual operating revenues and expenditures, only six lines break even while the rest have huge losses.[10] Most of the newer lines suffer from low passenger volumes, as many of their stations are located well outside centers of metro areas and without direct local highway nor light rail connections. Officials have used high-speed rail construction primarily to drive up land value for land sales, especially in third and fourth-tier cities, rather than prioritizing convenience and affordability of ordinary travelers.[11] As of the end of 2023, China's HSR system has an accumulated debt of $839 billion due to opaque financing by local governments.[12]

Here are the sources:

If you look at the sources, [9] is from the "libertarian" Reason Foundation which is pro-car and anti-transit, and the editor presented it as an outright fact. [10] is not true (it's also a dead link for an article from WSJ which is questionably framed); more than six lines are profitable to some extent and the "huge losses" are the exception and not the norm.

What is most problematic is [11], which has been thoroughly rebutted here (this person has great English-language coverage of transit in China, please check them out!).

The person doesn't even acknowledge the controversy that each of the these sources have. I wonder if there's an agenda going on, or if the liberal narratives have been repeated so much such that people just unironically believe them.

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[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

many of their stations are located well outside centers of metro areas and without direct local highway nor light rail connections

See, China just builds shit at random, they couldn't possibly be planning for future growth.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Evil totalitarian communist emperor Xi throws darts at a map of China and that's where they have to build a railway line to this week or else a billion people are executed.

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know this hyperbole but i swear it feels like some people actually think this.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

The most important part of simulated liberalism is to make it just slightly more extreme than what they actually believe.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

The most famous picture of a station in the middle of no where is in fact in the middle of a suburb now (suburb by Chinese standards, not American suburbia)

[–] Spike@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

Also most are next to local highways or connected to metro stations