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Other philosophy communities have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. [ x ]
"I thunk it so I dunk it." - Descartes
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That's not remotely the name of a color you've never seen but can perfectly imagine. Are you illiterate?
As much as a human does. Unless you're asserting the existence of a non-physical soul that transcends the laws of cause and effect.
What do mean "maybe"? Yes or No?
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Oh. You literally are proposing that humans have a soul that transcends cause and effect and biological programming.
Biological programming dictates "dont die, and fuck*". My maybe is with the asterisk that avoiding that the biological imperative within the p zombie tells the P Zombie (unconsciously?) that ignoring the car leads to fucking.
You asked me to describe a color. I described a mechanism to achieve said color. Maybe its my CompSci brain but the Function returns the same value. Am I illiterate? I have had 9 alcoholic beverages.
Ok. So? Why does that particular programming make it conscious. And once again you're asserting that all life is conscious.
You're also just changing your argument on a whim now. First you said that pzombie wouldn't avoid traffic, because you need to be conscious to avoid traffic. Now you claim that a robot avoiding traffic isn't conscious because you don't need to be conscious to avoid traffic.
No. I didn't. For fucks sake, just fucking read other people's words for once, instead of being so arrogant.
I can't even perfectly imagine red. "Perfectly imaging" red does a lot of fucking heavy lifting. Again, you're describing an impossible task DUE TO SEMANTIC ISSUES.
PERFECT RED ISNT REAL. AHHHHH!!!!
Conscious life clearly has an advantage over unconscious life. If there is no DISTINCTION between conscious and non conscious life WHAT are you asking me to DESCRIBE?
Oh. So you did actually read it, you were just lying and pretending you didn't.
No it doesn't, and you've presented no argument that it does.
???????. I see you're back to not reading what I said
Gottem.
Consciousness, as it seems to function, is a means to model your internal and external data into a single experience that will help you dictate further success in getting your fuck on.
The P Zombie with my exact make and model right next to me would never consider that me stabbing him in the dumb redditor skull will allow me to get MY fuck on in place of HIM, yet there is evolutionary advantage to me doing so. For him to acknowledge that would be to exhibit what I would define as consciousness.
So any reproducing system is conscious now. And presumably after going through menopause, women cease to be conscious.
BEHAVIOURALLY. IDENTICAL. You illiterate child.
TOO DRUNK AT THIS POINT TO READ PAST MEANING (CONSCIOUSNESSES MANIFEST) BUT THE GENERAL SENTIMENT I POSSESS IS THAT WHILE YOU POSSIBLY MAY BE CORRECT THE IDEA THAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS FUNDAMENTALLY NON EXISTENT, OR EXISTENT, THIS LEADS TO SEMANTIC DECONSTRUCTION OF WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS POSSIBLY IS.i
Hell, two weeks ago I was prone to the belief that consciousness is fundamental. After reading various reddt comments I have (false logically?) conceded that consciousness is NOT fundamental but emergent, but I will concede I have MAYBE NOT provide an honest to goodness argument for. what consciousness actually is or what it means to be a conscious entity. But my problem is inherentlly with what it means to be unconscious. To what it means to be part of the universe. And I will admit, this is definitely a *Redditor construct. While drunk, I realize Redditor is a very specific type of event. Almost entirely ATHEIST while I attempt to be AGNOSTIC in the waking world. I literally feel atease with what you are saying to me. Not simple passing, where I accept that that what you are saying is completely FALSE but accepting that what you are saying is FALSE with me my CURRENT beliefs. I beleve, and honestly believe that all entities, possess the abiility to change due to LOGIC and think that the internal contradiction I may possess may be entirely interal and not systematic. I am sorry if what I was seems non contradcitpryh, because typically I imagfine myself within your shoes.
Ultmately, while drunkm and honest, my current belief, raw and unfilitered, is that consciousness is the simple acknowledgment of conciseness, and that maybe what I am interpreting is simply a reduced pipeline due to my procivitty to what would be conisdered :"aspergers".
I honstlyh think aspergers is TOO RAW and too analytical for what we call experience.
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ANYYWAYS:
CONTRARY TO DRUNK
I think what youre saying is aweosome. too analyitical. I imagine a human in 2000 years is the sum of my experience, great analysis pls great experience. right nowi am not that so i hold hope that what youj believe ios true, which is funny, i dont even believe what i say is true as in impactful to the soul .
I FUCKIUNG LOVING HEXBEAR.
I AM SORRY FOR BEING CRINMGE I HAVFE BEEN ON REDDIT FOPR SO LONG AND HAVE SINCE BEEN BANNED FOR BEING BASED?? NOT BASED ENOUGH BASED ON BRIAN/ TRUE BASED
You're just posting rambling vibes now.
Nah dawg I was really cooking with this comment last night you're the one rambling
Yea I drank too much for a Thursday. Sorry. I appreciate your critique though. you've been the only person that has provded a substantive counter argument. Is that my proclivity toward the unknown rationality? Who knows. Either way I appreciate what you bring to the table. Without you Id right all the time and i've had killed myself like 10 years ago.
Anyways, great job. I know personaally that giving your true opinion about epiistemic philsophy (is that the right term?????) can feel self flagettlating and self defeating, but I appreaciate it. So thanks, man. Maybe when I am more sober( whicj i was like 5 hours ago) i can provide more substantive arguments ). And again, you probably think I am a dunce, I dont dispute that. I have never had the ability to grow into anything but a dunce