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What do you think of panpsychism/the hard problem of consciousness? (hexbear.net)

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Personally I think it's silly as hell. Qualia is obviously a biological component of experience... Not some weird thing that science will never be able to put in to words.

I've been listening to a lot of psychology podcasts lately and for some reason people seem obsessed with the idea despite you needing to make the same logical leaps to believe it as any sort of mysticism... Maybe I am just tripping idk

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

philosophical zombies, qualia, and Mary’s room all fall under the umbrella of “category errors that are fun to talk about at parties but easy to pick apart”.

If you think that, then you straight up do not understand the be arguments being made, and frankly you should reflect on the arrogance of assuming that all the intelligent people who take these argument's seriously are just dimwits who lack your galaxy brain. It's one thing to disagree with these argument's, but you're not actually taking them seriously at all.

It also opens up an entire new can of worms that we can’t even test, which is always off-putting to me

Tough luck. "The possible implications of this being true make me uncomfortable" is not an argument for it being false.

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you think that, then you straight up do not understand the be arguments being made, and frankly you should reflect on the arrogance of assuming that all the intelligent people who take these argument's seriously are just dimwits who lack your galaxy brain. It's one thing to disagree with these argument's, but you're not actually taking them seriously at all.

I don't just think that, I express that. As I have said previously in this thread, I don't see how Mary's Room is anything different than arguing whether a hotdog is a sandwich. Either she possesses the knowledge that the individual positing the question considers red, or she doesn't. If she possesses that knowledge, she gains nothing by seeing red "for the first time".

And to think I've argued with intelligent people on this is very loaded... I've argued with REDDITORS about this. Probs not even real people!