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Revolution in the US (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

When the revolution happens do you think it will Marxist-Leninist, because it will have become more popular as it can prescribe a new socialism for our material conditions, or more Anarchistic in character, because of the individualistic ideology of the west?

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[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's been a good amount of threads with this question you can search for that have great answers, but IMO the US and the rest of the imperial core, as per Lenin's law that capitalism breaks at the weakest links in the chain, will be the very last countries on earth to have a revolution.

The US empire will fade out of history the same way the British and Roman empires did, with a pathetic, hundreds of years long whiny decline into political turmoil and international obscurity, while it eats itself internally and depopulates as its poor leave or are sacrificed on the altar.

Anarchists can't have a successful revolution because they can't organize installing a light bulb, let alone organizing cross-industry production or a coordinated military defense of a city. It had its go in the 19th and 20th century and failed, and should only be studied by historians as an intellectual curiosity, like blanquism.

[-] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No way USA lasts more than a few decades more, about 50 years, let alone centuries

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

It might seem that way when you look at its poverty and increasing unrest, but its political institutions are very stable, its ruling classes are extremely well protected, its protest movements are extremely unorganized, its labor movement died by the 1970s and has been on life support ever since. I've lived in US cities of hundreds of thousands of people, and we can barely scrape together 5 dedicated communists, whereas police often outnumber protesters, and have stations built like fortresses.

Its the most anticommunist country on the planet, and people don't know of alternatives to bourgeois "democracy". Its people are so indoctrinated, that they even vote for candidates who are trying to kill them: nearly all of my boomer family members have major health problems, yet somehow think the US has "socialist medical care", and that we need to get rid of it.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I'd wish the U.S. ended in 5 years, so I won't hold my breath for the U.S. ending in 50 years, but I'd love to be wrong.

[-] ProleEntelechy@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Anarchists can’t have a successful revolution because they can’t organize installing a light bulb, let alone organizing cross-industry production

What about Anarcho-Syndicalists? That structure is a sort of decentralized command economy, instead of the description given in that link of a "network of free contracts".

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

There has never been a successful ansyn revolution or economy, because a "decentralized command economy" doesn't make any sense, and is no different from "freedom to refuse" in practice. Read the above article.

Lets say a war effort needs x amount of steel refined from a certain region, so that another region can produce tanks. A "decentralized" system gives each region the autonomy to refuse meeting quotas or collaborating, and the whole thing falls apart.

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