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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this?

I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise.

[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

fascists

you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR

defederated anarchist style antifa milišas

what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies?

Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that?

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value.

It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Shit. Got me. Okay.

[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you?

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps,

citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now

collaborating with nazis

citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now

oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system

honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now

staving 3.5 million to 10 million people

are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it.

find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it

[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the mental gymnastics is crazy

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

collaborating with nazis

Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words

NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser

read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

geordi-no actually address the substance of the claims

geordi-yes reaction gifs

[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler,

Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it

completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries

You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels.

Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum

[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later

Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan?

And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything.

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home vivian-shrug

People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are

"The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

"Do your kids know you beat your wife?"

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed

This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two

One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda.

NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck.

I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries

Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child