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Are Lemmy anarchists okay? How does this person have 24 upvotes? In what universe are anarchists NOT doing class analysis, (therefore) don't want to abolish capitalism, and don't want to fight archism?

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I suspect this is just because libs absolutely DESPISE comrade @Cowbee@hexbear.net and will upvote anything smart-sounding that supposedly addresses whatever is being discussed?

Also, gotta love the whole "I have this opinion and many anarchists will disagree and that's what anarchism is about". Like, buddy, you haven't read one book or talked to one anarchist IRL, let alone organized in your entire life.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago (8 children)

The problem with focusing on class is that it gives you a convenient enemy to fight. An other to direct all your anger and resentment towards.

This is liberalism, there's nothing convenient about class, it's the primary mechanism of oppression that binds the human race, and under capitalism class creates a unique social toxicity that is quickly rendering the planet unhabitable, that is the reality of the situation, and it obliterates your idealistic notions about comfortable spaces that transform the world through simple ideas

Your liberalism manifests in your inability to recognize the totalizing and globalized nature of capitalism and how it prevents you from building the community you want

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 1 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I do absolutely know that capitalism is destroying the planet. I also know there is nothing I alone can do about it. I'm trying to keep up to date on resistances across the world and if an opportunity arises I might join one. But right now it seems that the world at large is content to slowly burn and the best I can do is try and build a space to survive it. After all capitalism seems to be collapsing all on it's own.

It's disheartening that so many people in this thread make so many assumptions about me that are based in me not being ignorant. I'm not. I'm no expert on political theory, but I also know the problems are. I just don't focus on them because they seem insurmountable. I learned a long time that to get my ND brain doing something I need to start with a vague plan, take one step at a time and then, hopefully, I achieve my goal. otherwise I get overwhelmed at all of the millions of little details I need to pay attention to and give up. I don't want to give up on anarchism. So I don't think about the parts that I don't have the answer to. Ignorant? Yes, because the alternative is giving up.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The alternative isn't to give up, you're on the journey, and you're not presently on a cliff like you seem to believe, you're simply half-way up the mountain

I understand the frustration and pain that comes from trying to keep up with all the injustice in the world, all I can promise is that the analytical framework of Marxism can provide you the means by which to make sense of these details and to organize them in a way that doesn't leave you feeling lost and in despair, the end of confusion is the gift this framework provides, no different from the scientific method that keeps science as an organized, evolving and coherent endeavor and not a hodgepodge of unfalsifiable orthodoxies

And best of all, you don't have to throw away your dreams or your attachment to anarchism, you simply have to learn the tricks of the trade and you can do it step by step, because you're not obligated to save the world all on your lonesome

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I already have a framework that works for me. It's naive and vague and rooted in belief rather than logic but It gives me hope: "People are kind. By coming together we can change the world.". I don't need anything more than that. I don't want to hate people, burgie or prole. Looking at Marxism that's what I see: Guillotines and rifles. (I also see it in a lot of anarchists which is sad). Of course my world-view is incomplete but that's the only way it can remain compatible with the views of others.

If I became a marxist I would lose this quality. With clarity of vision comes impurity of others. By remaining unclear, unfocused, I remain compatible, understanding, friendly.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Marxism isn't incompatible with revolutionary optimism. Focusing on compatibility with everyone to the point of including capitalists, fascists, etc. results in passivity and thus upholding the immense system of social violence committed against the global working class.

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and until I have a group of people that I can rely on to start destroying that system, passivity is the best way to go as it keeps any targets off my back and allows me to hold conversations with everyone which will increase the chances of finding my place.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you just wait for a group forever and rely purely on conversations, you won't actually ever change anything. There should be a mutual aid org or something around you, start with that. To not do anything when you could is to uphold the present system.

[–] Val@anarchist.nexus 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh no I don't intend to wait.. I went to an Anarchist bookfair in Berlin last month. Intending to go to another one in may, and meanwhile keep browsing the leftist comms, getting into arguments and finding people I connect with. I am actively looking. It's just that the country I reside in had all leftist thought pummelled out of it due to being occupied by the USSR and transforming to ultra-liberalism and nationalism. The only orgs that could exist are anarchist ones because communism is banned. I could move. But that requires to have some connections outside and I don't have those as well.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

One of the advancements of Marxism is dialectical materialism. Communism being banned and the rising wave of fascism helps create the conditions for radicalized workers and the necessity of a political party to unite them. There's a dialectical relationship here, quantitative buildups over long periods of time eventually result in qualitative leaps. This is why there are decades where nothing happens, and weeks where decades happen.

If you genuinely believe Marxism to be more effective than anarchism, you can be a part of that movement even if you think anarchism is the only "allowable" left opposition. Even then, anarchism will still be targeted the moment it becomes a threat, you aren't making the org work easier.

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