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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Given that the EPA is now apparently rubber stamping whatever pesticides come across their desk, there is still a health argument, but when it comes to environmental sustainability, nitrogen is an elephant in the room. Crop productivity is as high as it is because of Haber-Bosch nitrogen, and if you remove that as a possible input, your options are:

  • Haber-Bosch nitrogen obtained by first feeding it to animals in the form of conventionally grown crops and then applied as manure or meat, blood, and bone meal
  • Naturally fixed nitrogen as concentrated in fish or pasture-raised chickens or cattle
  • Mined nitrates (naturally mined minerals qualify as organic)
  • A mysterious fourth thing (on farm nitrogen management with legumes, but that's a supplement and not sufficient to produce high yields)

I think there's a case for a sensible system that combines synthetic nitrogen fertilizers with smarter soil organic matter management practices and IPM that doesn't rely on pesticides as a first resort, but such a system would still be less productive (in terms of gross output) and more complex than commercial farming, so there needs to be a market for it. "We didn't completely throw the baby out with the bathwater" farming.

[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those same people probably think recycling helps save the environment too.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hey now, recycling might help the environment a little if it were, you know... something that actually was real.

As it stands most western "recycling" involves plucking out the metals, actually recycling the 100% pure paper waste from offices, and sending virtually everything else overseas to set on fire. It's a very cool system.