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What do you think about using generative AI in game development? Beyond just the art and music, I'm talking about stuff like prototyping, writing dialogue, coding, and even personalised content for pl (piefed.social)

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[–] CardboardDecoy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

TL;DR don't use AI. Or do, but I won't play it.

I played a game, Crust, I'll name and shame, don't give a shit. Right up my alley, make a moon base, dig in the ground and deform terrain for resources, get it all automated, great stuff..

I'm playing the tutorial and I realize, there a shit ton of banter and dialogue in this tutorial for my factory game, can I please play the game? I do not care what these coworkers are up to.

Then I listened to what they were saying. First, the dialogue was extremely flat. No affectation. Strange emphasis on the words. Oh, it's AI text to speech. Okay. It's a small studio, it's early access, I could forgive that. Then I realized the actual dialogue made no sense. There was some weird logic to the flow of the conversation. Ah, okay, the dialogue is AI. Okay... i mean, it's early access, and a factory game, and I'm listening to two AI's talk to eachother and do some weird puppet show of character develolment. Even the portraits are AI generated, none of this is real.

Then they told a joke. I have no memeory of what it was, but one character said something in the pattern of a joke, the other laughed, and I still can't even play the game. I am a captive audience of an AI telling an AI joke to an AI who made an AI laugh.

I think anyone considering using AI should take a long hard look at what they want to make and their goals. No moon base factory game needs fake ass banter with no bearing on the plot to drive a tutorial. I uninstalled that shit so fast and am now and active enemy of that game. Why? Because someone thought generated content was more important than the gameplay. I don't care about what happened later on I know everything I need to know about the dev and I hate it with an unexpected passion.

So yeah, no, if a game uses AI content it's not a game, it's the weird hollow perception of what someone thinks a game should be, which is an easy flag for me to pin something as inescapably ass.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

First, sounds like a gross game. Planet crafter is a fun one in that genre if you didnt already know.

However- youre just describing bad ai usage. Once it gets so good you wont be able to tell the difference at all, none of it matters.

People already are tricked by ai music and videos. We can say we wont be because we are smart nerds, but we will. It will fool us all. I give it 10 years

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

God, I hate this argument. "It's not bad because it might be good someday." This isn't the first technology to have this argument applied to it, and it won't be the last. But even if it could be good some hypothetical day, it's still bad now.

There is no good AI usage because any creator good enough to make it good would not give the fun task of creation to an AI. The only people who like AI enough to use it aren't creators, so it's ALL bad AI usage.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you. However, I was more stating you wont even know the difference in about 5 ish years. Even now, if i play you 6 songs with 1 of them being ai generated, almost a guarantee 99% of people cant tell which one it is (as a musician, this is sad, but music as a whole has been going downhill for many years anyways).

Even games youre playing right now, you have no clue if it was vibe coded or not. People will simply lie, and there will be no way to actually prove it either.

The only way at all to avoid it is only buy media from very trusted creators. So that would basically leave out every large developer.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You very obviously don't agree with me. Do you know how long people have been saying "you can't tell the difference"? Gonna be honest, if you can't tell it's AI music, maybe you just don't have a good ear for music. I can tell. 99% is just a lie, because if it was actually identical, then you'd guess right 1 in 6 times.

If I have to discard every large developer to avoid AI, then nothing of value is lost.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

You clearly dont know people. Theyre already tricked:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/religion/solomon-ray-ai-christian-singer/

Topping the charts, totally fake. Granted, its a garbage genre, but still.

Im sorry but we have lost. Its the same as fighting the invention of electricity. We will be looked at as the kooky old folks.

Haha, yes we should avoid those awful big studios regardless.

[–] CardboardDecoy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I mean I don't actually believe this, and I do think disclosure should ve required at all levels if any AI generated content remains in a final product because the goal should never be to dupe people into thinking someghing is sincere and legitimate. Again, the point is the principle behind the shortcut. If you afen't interested in making dialogue portraits, don't have dialogue portraits. If you don't want to write believeable banter, don't include it. You engage with the artist when you engage with art. If you gave me Undertale today and said it's completely AI generated then I would be completely unmotivated because it's not anybody's story, it's just content. If you never told me it was AI and I found out on my own at the end credits I would never speak to you again, if not report you as some sort of untrustable source. No matter how believeable the AI is it will never change the fact that it undermines real work and sincerity from real people and will never have a place with anyone who actually cares.

Of course if you want to be cynical those people might be the minority here and that's a different problem.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Oh yeah id feel the same about a game in a similar scenario. But people on here also say they dont care if music is human or ai made. What they think is good they will listen to. So I guess some people just dont have principles.