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Welcome to the monopolization of the internet. And blatant anti-competative practices.
Huge operators like Google can intentionally make their sites and services a worse experience for other browser users.
Very true, I hate that so many sites will sometimes fully load on FF and start to work right before a fake error message telling me to "try updating FF to a newer version" (even though they know it is fully updated and just want to force opening a Chromium-based browser). It doesn't help that basically all the browsers (aside from FF, forks of FF, and Safari) are all using Chromium.
While some of them are very good, and make some actual changes for the better. It still re-enforces Google to basically pull what Microsoft did with IE. IE would probably still be alive and fucking with the internet if Microsoft had done what Google has pulled off.
Even though original Edge was wonky, it kind of sucks that Microsoft didn't keep their own shit. But only just because it would be one less major Chromium browser (only good thing currently is that they still allow full uBO).
Though I really hate their overlaid shit Edge puts on the Chrome download site, and the huge banner at the top of Bing search results page when searching for Chrome. I have to download Chrome on peoples' PCs a lot at work, so that shit is mildly infuriating to constantly see.
It really is a shame that Microsoft gave up their technical position in order to gain a market position. However, ultimately, that worked out for them.
Microsoft didn't keep it because developing a web browser is insanely expensive, and they where too far behind. While they where trying to pivot to Azure and other cloud ecosystems.
With likely 1000+ engineers being involved in Chrome in a meaningful way, it's an insanely expensive project, and Microsoft just couldn't keep up.
Now given that Mozilla has an engineering team 1/4 to 1/6th the size for Firefox really puts into perspective How astronomically well they have been doing with Rust.
This also puts into perspective how unlikely other browsers like Ladybird are to ever take off, when a year of their development is eclipsed by a few weeks of major browser development. Compounding over and over.
Shits a mess.
I understand why the did what they did with Edge. It is just wild to see the company that did everything it could to make sure the old internet was coded around themselves. Just to then let Google take over and do the same thing (or at least very similar). Their huge banners for Chrome results and inserted overlay on the actual Chrome site shows how much the ghost of IE still haunts them. They are just so desperate to be liked/used, that it is beyond sad (in a pathetic way).
The funny thing is that I did make a point for a while to use Edge for things that required Chromium-based browsers. But they just can't seem to stop themselves from making Chrome seem better all over again. All the in your face stuff to push their obvious data mining and bloat the shit out of it is cringe. The only thing that they have going for them, is that they do host their own extension store and (more importantly) still have the full uBO.
I think that Mozilla (for all their own faults/shortcomings) having such a dramatically smaller team does show that it is possible to have real options. They get my respect for how much they really showed that the rigged leader of IE could be attacked. But Google being the Microsoft of the internet focused age is a harder fight. I have been really happy to see major forks of FF gain momentum over the past few years. As they give more options for folks that like the core of FF, but have various issues with Mozilla and still want to avoid Chromium.
Ladybird has the hardest struggle being that aside from being something fully new, the dev team is currently still microscopic even compared to Mozilla. It is still extremely cool to see that any teams are trying to make a browser that isn't a fork of anything. I haven't tried it yet (my daily PC is still Windows), but I do like to see when they make progress worth people writing about or commenting information.
Also agree that shits a mess.