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I have no trouble seeing it this way.
This I'm more skeptical of. Like I said, this would amount to openly splitting the Palestinian state, which is something AFAIK Hamas has always put extreme effort into avoiding doing. On top of that, it's (IMO) nearly certain that a veto would not have prevented this from going forwards. It has the support of the Americans, all the Arab countries, and the PLO. It's going to happen. Even if it didn't, the only real important factor there related to the UN vote is the support of the Americans. AFAIK, the UN has never really stopped them from doing anything before. It wasn't going to start now.
i fall in the camp of "un vote doesnt matter but it makes more sense for china and russia to abstain than veto in this particular situation" tbc. i also think you can criticize them for their moves in the months and years beforehand allowing to get to this situation, but like i said even offering that up as criticism was not enough for most of these people crashing out