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[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Idk as someone with Chinese friends who have told me a lot about it, I don't think this is super true. They will say yeah the government will spy on absolutely everything, so don't say anything TOO crazy(same in the US but we won't get disappeared hopefully), but as an example during covid lockdowns in China where people were being denied food and medical care, tons of people protested what the government was doing and it did change, albeit very very slowly.

The best explanation I got was the government does what the majority of people agree with, and it will change if the majority changes what they think. If you're not part of the majority too bad keep it to yourself. For instance most Chinese people think the uyghyr genocide/ re education is not a big deal because they're religious nutjobs / a cult. It's sort of unity over self expression and fairness.

Also them using China as an example of communism is hilarious, China is as communist as lacroix is a soda. 90% of your life is ruled by money just like the US, the government just has way more power.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You are not well-informed on this topic. Yes, there was a protest, but the government retaliated harshly against those who participated.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/11/1148251868/china-covid-lockdown-protests-arrests

And I mean sure, most Chinese support the actions of their government... but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that this is only true because they don't have access to true information about its brutality. And no one around them is allowed to criticize it. This is classic manufactured consent.

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes the covid lockdowns was a more severe case of the Chinese government trying to pretend they had done nothing wrong, which it has a history of doing. I'm not saying china doesn't still try to suppress dissent and hide information, and the police force is basically hired thugs. I was just saying the citizens can and do make disagreements known if the government is going against the people's wishes, and they might be arrested and "re-educated" but there's less risk of their whole family being disappeared for example.

I would also ask how the news of using blank A4 paper spread around to others who began protesting, which shows that opinions and dissent do spread around China regardless of the government's intent to suppress it.

I suppose I can't really say for the average Chinese person because most people I know were because of exchange programs or they had moved to the US, but in my experience they seemed to know what was happening and just say "these people are hurting China so I don't care/ they deserve it." I think the exact quote I heard was "Yes but these people are religious extremists who are causing massive problems for China" (in reference to the uyghurs). I think it probably is the case they are just fed propaganda and most either believe it or don't care enough to check it.

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