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Is that what you gotta tell yourself?
Why do lemmy.ml users get hysterical when Joseph Stalin is described accurately?
because they’re Tankies
Keep making assumptions.
correct assumptions.
At this point, ml username is a choice. To be a tankie.
I enjoy supporting the developers of the platform and their federation policies. That's really all it comes down to.
fuck off, tankie swine
I honestly have no issue there. My issue is the claim that such atrocities don't happen in democratic institutions.
well, if ML users could read, you would know that OP made no such claims.
I can't recall any democratic countries, fragile or not, that can hold a candle to the atrocities committed by Joseph Stalin.
Can you point out the equivalent that we should look at in this case of whataboutism? Since we're talking about millions being killed by Joseph Stalin, what are the comparables?
So being generous we'll go high and say 10 million
So less in a year due to capitalism (ignoring wars and whatnot) than the total of Stalin. But also dealing with huge differences in populations involved. Both seem pretty shitty if you ask me.
Ya, totally equivalent.
Sit the fuck down.
What the fuck are you on about? I guess it's easy for a smooth brain moron to hype up gross mass murder as somehow way worse than prolonged systematic suffering and death. You're a fucking lost cause.
Prolonged systematic suffering and death, huh? If you hate that sort of thing, you're really gonna hate that Joseph Stalin guy.
But here's some more gruesome details about Stalin's favorite executioner:
I bolded the part where Blokhin is literally dressed like Leatherface from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Like I said, sit the fuck down.
Yep, bad dude. Bad, bad dude. His boss was too. You didn't, and won't, get any argument on that from me. But you come across as one of those people who talk about systematic racism and knee jerk react by saying,"I'M NOT RACIST". All I said was capitalism causes a fuckload of pain, suffering, and death as well. You were of the opinion that capitalism is somehow immune to evil or something. And I'm not sure why you keep saying sit down. The only time I type on here is when I'm at my desktop, and I don't have a standing desk. You need to try to come up with something more appropriate. Or you know, just shut the fuck up with your capitalist boot licking, grow up, take some classes, and realize humans really suck when they get any type of power, whatever political clothes they wear.
I'll explain for you (everyone else is able to pick up what you evidently can't) why your equivocation attempt sucks ass, and why you should therefore, sit the fuck down, as was suggested previously:
My initial question was, Why do lemmy.ml users get hysterical when Joseph Stalin gets described accurately? Note that there is zero reference here to economic policy.
The entirety of your response has been Argle bargle whaddabout capitalism yip yip yip you capitalist bootlick blah blah blah whaddabout whaddabout whaddabout.
Joseph Stalin was a fucking awful man is a stand alone, easily defended premise.
Meanwhile, you want to pivot so hard to hurr durr capitalism bad, that you're going to snap your own ankles.
Sit the fuck down.
Nope, you asked the question and I gave a decent answer. Never ever said Stalin was other than evil. Goes down in history with Hitler and Pol Pot. Again, you are the one who asked. And...you keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it does. You can't be bothered to give a reasoned response, so I can't be bothered to get dumber reading anything else you have to say. Or as you seem to gargle out yip yip (Avatar rocked. The animated show, not the movie) and whaddabout whaddabout whaddabout. Which was the original freaking discussion ya dummy.
I've identified the source of your consternation. You were under the impression that you gave a decent answer.
yuh buh nuh capitalism bla bla-
You can find zero cases of a political leader from the Capitalist west that had gulags and mass executions and mass graves for the state sanctioned mass executions.
I am uninterested in body count comparables due to capitalism, due to cancer, due to car accidents, due to tobacco, sunspots, whatever.
Name the heads of state from the west who have been executing citizens, and dumping them in mass graves. See if you can find an executioner who was striving for one execution every three minutes, like i did for Joseph Stalin.
Ya but capitalism yip yip yip
Sit the fuck down.
or maybe you can "be generous" and go with the figure you quoted.
OK, let's be "generous" and agree to that figure. Or twice that. It doesn't change a thing I said, and nobody will ever find me defending Stalin, unless their lenses are crazy colored.
How many global soviel block deaths of malnourishments did you tally up for old boy Stalin? Do we calculate relative or absolute numbers? Do the deaths of malnutrishion of nominally socialists states today also count as being capitalisms fault?
But that's the point, they don't. Atrocities can happen, but not as bad as such.
Just give one example of a democracy where an atrocity remotely close to that happened.
lol. have you seen how child labor works? or banana republics? or coups? or prison labor? or slavery?
come on now. stop being a thick moron.
Why do you first support my point, and then call me a moron?
was your point that capitalism is doing what stalin did?
No that all the problem you mention are worse in totalitarian countries.
totalitarian does not mean noncapitalist. lol.
That's completely irrelevant, the argument was democracy vs authoritarianism.
You seem to have some sort of attention problem.
You sure?
Really?
How sure?
Like, I could look at ICE raids and their obvious purpose of terrorizing the immigrant community, but I have a feeling you're the type of bootlicker that thinks those actions are justified.
Compared to genocide by Stalin, ICE is peanuts.
But no it's not justified, that still doesn't make it an equal atrocity to what Stalin did.
Also USA is not a democracy, it is a deeply dysfunctional democracy. And In USA it can go 2 ways now, they either go full dictator, or if they go the other, these things will be softened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
So kindly piss off with your false equivalences.
Dude the US is fully funding a genocide right now. Since October 7, 2023, the U.S. has provided Israel with billions in military aid, including at least $21.7 billion in approved funding, along with tens of billions more in future arms sale commitments.
Your entire premise is so inherently flawed.
Also rofl at you sounding like a tankie:
"It wasn't real communism bro."
Please read my edited post.
And no I'm not anything remotely like a tankie, I am one who favor ACTAUL democracy, where among the best models we have running currently is the Scandinavian model.
A 2 party system can never be accepted as a functional democracy, also the level of corruption in elections is undemocratic. preventing people from voting and gerrymandering.
All those things detract from USA as a democracy.
You are delusional and create strawmen and then you think you have a superior view based on your delusions and false equivalences that have no basis in reality.
fine. compare stalin to something else that was closer to his time than he is to us:
American slave trade. do it. tell me stalin was worse than slavery?
the gfy.
Again with USA as the example, no other democracy had slaves like USA did.
On the other hand comparable stories to Stalin can be found in multiple autocratic systems.
Where USA is the exception as in exceptionally bad among democracies, what Stain did is commonplace among autocracies.
laughs in dutch.
Yeah. The US definitely was horrifically evil long after other Global North countries had decided to chill but we were far from the only people running on the genocide and enslavement of the Global South.
In a lot of ways, the US was late to colonialism and took it WAY too far and commit atrocities for it. The USSR/Stalin was late to (there is probably a better term for it but I can't remember it) peasant revolutions and took it WAY too far and commit atrocities for it... and then ended up being a global power that extended said reign of terror to anyone sharing a border with them.
the US is CURRENTLY funding a genocide. What’s stalin been up to lately?
what’s poe’s law?
If you are referring to South Africa you are a moron.
Because South Africa was very much an authoritarian leadership, and ruled by a white minority by force.
WTF is that reference supposed to show that does anything but support democracy?
a place can be both authoritarian and capitalist..
Authoritarian means it is NOT a democracy, which was the point.
correct. like what america has. an authoritarian capitalist system run by a few rich folk.
were you trying to say “capitalist = democracy”?
WTF? blocked.
😂 so … yes? your replies are oddly confusing