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[–] Veggie_Deluxe@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And that is absolutely horrible. My criticism isn't that sexism and patriarchal repression don't exist. To infer that from my point seems disingenuous. My point is that this is not a revolutionary issue. If the means of production were in the hands of a ruling party of the people tomorrow that would not effect the dynamic of deeply engrained sexism in those who are chauvinists. It is a separate issue. This flyer implies that when men pick up the slack on domestic labor suddenly they will gain a revolutionary consciousness and join the nebulous group 'women' in building a new world. If we wanted to have a thread discussing how culture can be changed and the next generation of boy will not harbor those same prejudices that seems good and useful, but this is just a flyer posted to a group that I would hope would be well past this point in improving themselves. Posting this here just seems like an empty gesture aimed at a stereotype.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hmm. I think the poster is not aimed at the average man but is aimed at people who already have a revolutionary consciousness but have unaddressed issues with their own behaviour. The left, particularly in the UK at the very least, is deeply sexist.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Also as context, the poster seems to originally be from ~~1919.~~

Edit: seems its actually from 1999. See below for more info


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Thanks for digging this up. Added to the OP

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Please update the year to 1999


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There isnt any source to the wikimedia claim of 1919 so I really don't know if it is.

Some reddit posts of it claims winter 1999, "direct action", but I can't find it in supposedly that issue (cool website! ~~Maybe down? Try web.archive.org version of it.~~ No. I was just linking to it with www. which didn't work.).

Edit 3: turns out my mobile PDF view was cutting off half of the page. It is indeed in the 1999 winter edition of direct action. Source found!!

Edit: Im with this one redditor, I cannot find anything substantial on this poster

Edit 2: I can source it back to at least before 2004. Likely 2002. Since these are recreations.


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘤𝘢𝘵. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Updated, thank you for taking the time to find this!

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[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My point is that this is not a revolutionary issue. If the means of production were in the hands of a ruling party of the people tomorrow that would not effect the dynamic of deeply engrained sexism in those who are chauvinists.

No, it totally is a revolutionary issue and yes, it would. First, the separation of the proletariat along geneder lines in productive and reproductive labor is a large cause of splits in our ranks and a huge obstacle to class consciousness. It's also at the core of the fight for queer and trans Liberation.

And second the need for this separation in exploited (paid) productive labor and expropriated (unpaid) reproductive labor is not a historic accident, but a systemic necessity for capitalism to even exist. It won't go away until the means of production are in the hands of a revolutionary peoples party, that would, in order do reach this position, need to be aware of those material facts.

Framing this purly in terms of sexism (ideology) is an idealist take. The ideology would be effected by the underlying material conditions changing, as it has historically, eg in the USSR.