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What do chuds think they're saying when they say they have no pronouns? (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 weeks ago by axont@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

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I know there's probably no understanding it, but it's keeping me up at night. When prompted with "what are your pronouns?" chuds will often reply with that they have no pronouns. But then if asked if they can be referred to as he/him, they're fine with it. Plus being fine with using me/you/I etc. I've even heard them say they don't consider he/him/she/her to be pronouns.

I mean I kinda know what it is but I'm not gonna ask a chud to confirm. I think it's these things:

Confusion between very typical pronouns such as she/her with neopronouns like xi/xir.
They've literally never been asked for their pronouns before so their minds can't process the question. They only know that pronouns are those things that trans people use, so they have an immediate kneejerk reaction to reject the concept entirely without consideration.
Confusion between the concept of pronouns and gender identity
Misunderstanding of the concept of a pronoun mean something more like "identified pronoun"

I seriously hate these people so much by the way. Obstinant, stubborn transphobia is a fucking plague and I'm very pessimistic about the idea you can simply argue them out of their mindsets. They're completely stuck because they want to be stuck, and they don't even want to know what they're mad about. May Allah have mercy on their eternal souls because I have very little sympathy for them

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[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that a fair number of them are very repressed (sexuality and/or gender) and being confronted with something outside of the cishet norm causes them distress because those repressed thoughts are resurfaced. The thought of losing their entire community if they ever considered and explored those feelings in earning thus keeps them deeply in the closet. The anger and hate come in part from being forced to confront themselves in uncomfortable ways as well as seeing others living happily while not "following the rules".

[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Gender identity struggles can happen even for cis people. Look at the explosion of "alpha male" content over the past decade (maybe you don't see this much in your life, though). Women are also bombarded with so many things telling them how to be the perfect woman. You're a bit older than me but we both grew up in very different times with little to no gender diverse representation. For me, that meant always feeling a bit wrong with this role of "boy" or "man" that I was saddled with. I had a period where I went really hard into "masculine" hobbies and traits, suffered a lot, got burned out. I didn't really get it until I started meeting queer/trans people and found myself intensifying intuitively with their struggles.

Gender dysphoria is like any other struggle with mental health: there are effective and ineffective treatments, people who say it doesn't exist, those who call trans people dangerous to society, and so on. You don't necessarily have to understand exactly what's going on for us, just that we're human and trying to live in a way they makes us happy in our bodies and minds. And it would not be all that difficult, really, if the media and government stopped giving transphobes that want to kill us so much undue credibility.