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I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so
Lmao is that just some dude's blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase "facts are facts."
Also I love this: "3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests." Holy shit lol.
But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie
Fun meme. But where is your proof otherwise?
Says the girl giving random-ass blog as proof
It's easy to dismiss that as a "random-ass blog" because you're engaging in motivated reasoning, but it's certainly not the only evidence:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
Again, you have nothing. It's fun to argue and all, but I'll remind anyone reading this that until evidence of Khelif being female is presented, any other response is sophistry meant to distract you.
Did you even read your own link?
So yeah, go fuck yourself with a cactus.
In case this asshat deletes her comment, this was the link given as 'evidence'
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
Why would I delete my comment? I'm well aware of what the link says. Khelif is biologically male and even in the sympathetic article I linked they don't dispute that.
Gender isn't binary, but sex is. Snopes is trying to confuse you by conflating sex and gender, but nobody's arguing about what gender Khelif is.
you don't have evidence! your shady blogs and discredited idiots are more like negative evidence! i mean, babygirl, did you read that snopes article? cuz i promise it doesn't support what youre saying
key excerpts you must have missed, surely by accident:
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those are almost at the top of the article!
so first i think you should ask someone to read this to you, then ask them to also read the rest of the snopes article, where it talks about the sex spectrum and intersexuality. none of which is in the article because it applies to khelif, but only to the nonsense brainless idiots spout. if you actually read the article you linked, you might realize that if someone was born with the corresponding genitalia, they might just be that sex, regardless of hormone levels or whatever genetic bullshit people wanna pretend applies to khelif so they can fantasize about azalia amineva still being undefeated.
i know youre a lost cause, but to anyone else who reads this thread, please remember: this is even dumber because even though none of it applies to khelif anyway, trans and intersex people are still fucking people and should be allowed to compete. not in their own league. theyre not undesireables. theyre not diseased. just let people play their games!
I guess this is on me, for assuming you'd comprehend the article. I'll explain it to you though!
Sex is not a spectrum. Sex is a binary defined by the size of gametes your body is organized around producing. Sex phenotypes and genotypes are a spectrum, and Snopes is hoping that you're too ignorant to understand that, which regrettably you are. Which is OK! Everyone's ignorant of lots of stuff, this is a great time to learn something. When Snopes says things like "In other words, there are several ways to define gender", you can completely ignore that, because it's irrelevant to participation in women's sports. There is no evidence that Khelif is female, and this entire matter could be put to rest with a simple, non-invasive, cheap cheek swab that would prove to everyone that Khelif is in fact female. It is good that the IOC will implement sex testing and put this matter to rest so we can focus on more important things.
Gender is a spectrum though! It's a reflection of how you live in your body and that's great! Except in sports, it makes a difference if you've gone through male puberty. Khelif has gone through male puberty on account of being male, which is unfair to female competitors. Trans people should get to compete in sports! But trans women that have gone through male puberty and males with DSDs (aka intersex, which is a confusing term for this reason) should compete in open/men's leagues because of innate biological advantage. The IOC is doing this because they followed the scientific evidence.
no, im not talking about the gender spectrum, the snopes article WHICH YOU LINKED is talking about intersex people. people in between one sex or the other. who might fall closer to one side or the other for one reason or another. you know. a spectrum!
the article WHICH YOU LINKED describes in detail why chromosomes don't work as a binary way to define sex. the article WHICH YOU LINKED explains why you shouldn't take ait aoudia at his word. YOU LINKED IT, but then it explained why none of this intersex talk even applies to khelif in the first place, and YOU are now trying to discredit it. genuinely i hope you're a bot of some sort because these mental gymnastics are way too good for the human division
I linked to it because it's a sympathetic source that you would actually read. I realized that it was mealy-mouthed about gender vs sex when I linked it, but had hoped that you could see that even a sympathetic take acknowledges that Khelif is male.
Intersex is a confusing term, and it has confused you. That's OK though! Sex is still not a spectrum. Khelif is male due to producing the smaller of two (i.e. binary) gamete sizes in humans, which is how sex is defined. 5αR2D is a male DSD, which means Khelif is ineligible for women's sports. That's what men's and open leagues are for though!
It doesn't acknowledge Khelif as male in any way at all, not even in the completely irrelevant idiot way you're pretending sex is defined. Read the thing for fucks sake lmao
Glad I can help you learn something today! Sex is defined by gamete size. Unfortunately, disputing like you've done is unscientific. The linked article that goes over the definition is a great place to start for a beginner though!
I know I told you to find someone else to read for you, but I won't be that person, sorry. However, rest assured, the Wikipedia article you linked also doesn't claim what you say it does. Have a shitty day!
I'll help you out with the first sentence!
"Male and female" were synonyms for "large and small," huh? I hope you manage to get past the first sentence of an article one day
Before you come at me with the end of that paragraph, try reading the end of it too. Still not a binary!
Let me know where you're misunderstanding it and I'll do my best to help break it down!
Sex is binary because there are two sizes of gametes, large and small. Those two are the only options, and thus sex is a binary. In humans, sex is determined by chromosomes, but defined by gamete size. Variations in phenotype and genotype are variations within a sex.
You might be confused by the term "hermaphrodite". It's possible for some organisms to produce both gamete sizes! But sex is still a binary, because you'll notice they produce both sizes. Some animals can even change sex during their lifetimes or have their sex determined by temperature while they develop 🤯 It's true! But humans aren't like that, we're sexually dimorphic. Our bodies are organized around producing one or the other of two gamete sizes for our entire lives.
Now you might be wondering why we care about defining sex. Why bother? 🤔 The answer is because it's the only defining trait that works across an enormous swath of the animal kingdom! Biology is hard and messy and it's amazing we found such a handy distinction. Some organisms such as fungi have mating types instead of sex, but in anisogamous species we define sex by gamete size because it's the only coherent definition.
Go die in a fire.