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We have actual victims speaking up to let us know that the Catholic Church and other Christian communities are abusing children. If LGBT groups are allegedly doing the same, where are the victims' testimonies? Where are the hundreds, if not thousands of victims coming forward with their own stories that can be investigated so we can bring these alleged gay pedophiles to justice?
Because organized religion is so powerful they can get away with mass sexual assault of children among other crimes. Conservatives don't oppose child abuse, they're afraid the "wrong" people Are doing it
IMHO that's the big picture: Conservatism doesn't want people focusing on the overwhelmingly factual and documented abuses by the church and GOP.
This is a list of confirmed GOP sex offenders and their crimes. It's past 1,100 now.
I don't think I need to point out the well documented history of sex offenses in the church, but here's a quick list of recent travesties:
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102621352/how-the-southern-baptist-convention-covered-up-its-widespread-sexual-abuse-scand https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/investigation-reveals-widespread-sexual-abuse-and-cover-ups-by-archdiocese-of-baltimorehttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/02/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-investigations.html
So please, FOCUS ON THE GAYS! LITTERBOXES! TRANS TRAINERS! Think about anything but the crimes conservatives and religious pedos please please please.
Projection writ large, across our entire society.
I'm on your side of the argument, but I don't think this is a fair take. We know from history that it's very difficult for victims to come forward in these cases. Your Catholic Church example is a good case of this; the adults we're hearing from were children when the abuse took place. Look at the Me Too incident. Hundreds if not thousands of victims all coming forward years after the fact because they feared the backlash. I genuinely doubt there are groups like the woman described in existence, but if there were, it's understandable that we wouldn't be hearing about it right away.
The Catholic Church has the power and influence to cover those things up and pressure victims into silence. Hollywood has a huge power imbalance as well. Where in the world does the LGBTQ+ community have such power? The only answer these fascists can give is "the Jews".
If there was large scale abuse going on in the LGBTQ+ community, it would have been found out for sure; especially considering how many hateful zealots spend their retirement actively hunting the imaginary abuse. (I'm also not saying there's no abuse because well, humans suck. just that it isn't large scale, organized, and actively defended like churches and corporate hierarchies)
I mean this is assuming that children are rationally considering the amount of power an abuser has over their lives, which is clearly not the case. To a kid, simply being an adult makes them seem powerful.
And yet kids and adults come forward all the time. There would be somebody if the abuse is that wide spread.
The power of the church enables them to influence more than just the kids of course. Also if adults show reverence to priests you bet the kids pick up on that. And also the parents often side with the priest over the kid anyway if the kid actually ever says anything.
Bottom line: the claims of sexual abuse by "tHe gAyS" are unsubstantiated.
Studies have shown that abusers are not more likely to be LGBTQ than straight.
In fact it is statistically the opposite to a significant degree.
So why the claims then?
First, modern right wing Christianity is deeply biased to be anti-gay already and so it is no wonder preachers are dead wrong and spreading bullshit myths as well as classing all LGBTQ people as literally "minions ot Satan"
Second, regressives (right wingers) hate LGBTQ people (because they are different and also because of religion). Spreading damaging myths is an attempt to change culture to be in favor of persecuting and attempting to eradicate LGBTQ people -- or whoever else is in the "out group" to be eradicated.
If a lone person with political motives to damage the Catholic Church's reputation alleged they were abusing children, I'd be demanding the same evidence of victims' testimonies. No one should be believing allegations of sexual assault without evidence, of which victim testimonies are key. Same with the Me Too movement. I'm a therapist and not at all unsympathetic to how difficult it is for victims of sexual assault to go public with their stories, but from a societal perspective, we should all be skeptical of allegations made without evidence. Is it possible these LGBT groups are abusing kids and we won't find out until 15-20+ years from now, when those kids decide to come forward with their stories? Sure. But until then, accusations with clear political motivation should be disregarded, and that's true whether you're talking about LGBT groups or the LDS Church.
Sorry to hear. :(
FWIW gay people have been around longer than the Catholic church.
Right? Gay people have likely been around since the dawn of time. If it was a systemic thing among the LGBTQ, we would know.
I already responded to this point from another user. Check further down the thread.