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[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Veganism is a luxury of modern times

Plenty of vegans in India for centuries, not luxurious or modern. You can say that being vegan is hard in modern meat-oriented society, but then turn your critique towards the system and not towards the people telling you to go vegan. And I say this as a non-vegan.

[–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago

You're thinking of vegetarians, and it's more commonly practiced by those who can afford to. Upper-class vegetarians fought to prevent eggs being given to impoverished school children in India.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

veganism is a philosophy, and has been around less than one hundred years

[–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There earliest proponent of veganism listed on Wikipedia is Abu al-Ala al-Ma'arri, roughly one thousand years ago. According to their source:

"[Al-Maʿarri's] diet was extremely frugal, consisting chiefly of lentils, with figs for sweet; and, very unusually for a Muslim, he was not only a vegetarian, but a vegan who abstained from meat, fish, dairy products, eggs, and honey, because he did not want to kill or hurt animals, or deprive them of their food."

Also:

Al-Ma'arri held an antinatalist outlook, in line with his general pessimism, suggesting that children should not be born to spare them of the pains and suffering of life.

I should read this guy's work.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

veganism as a term didn't exist until the 1940s, and the philosophy is not the same as what al-ma'arri advocated.