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[–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The status quo still involves people dying.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yup. No doubt. But the choice between “things are bad” and “fascism” is, while distasteful, an easy choice. The spoiler effect means that in a First Past the Post voting system, mathematically, if you decide to instead vote for the idealistic but unpopular “things could be better,” all you’re doing is removing a vote from “things are bad,” which only benefits “fascism.”

It sucks. I know it sucks. But it’s what we have right now. Ideally we can make a better system, but we won’t get there by letting fascism win. At least not without a LOT MORE people dying.

Again, make positive change where and when you can, and vote rationally.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

The problem is that we already had, "Things are bad," and that's what generated the threat of fascism in the first place. Voting for more "things are bad" will just keep growing fascism until it inevitably wins. The only way to avert fascism in the long term is by pushing for things to actually be good, and that won't happen as long as people keep supporting the "things are bad" people as the only alternative.

What we need is to acknowledge that "things are bad" is not a viable alternative and not something we are willing to accept or vote for. That means either forcing the Democratic party to change or building an alternative from the ground up, because regardless of how difficult those things may be, they are the only things that could possibly avert fascism. Voting for the lesser evil has a zero percent chance of success, it's a total dead end. We have to try things that at least have the potential for success rather than sleepwalking into fascism.

[–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Yup. No doubt. But the choice between “things are bad” and “fascism” is, while distasteful, an easy choice.

Is genocide not fascism?