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Industrial level is lower in the US. Cost of living is inflated because it's an imperialist country, and siphons vast sums of wealth to the imperial core. The US and Europe have hollowed out their productive capacity and shifted it all overseas. Goods are made in China for cheaper because industrialization is higher, as is productive capacity. Russia is heavily sanctioned, and largely produces for itself.
Spending 10 times as much does not mean you are getting 10 times as much out of it.
We are comparing NATO to russia. I'm talking about US because alone it overpower russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing#List_of_countries_by_manufacturing_output
Keep in mind that while chinese industry produces a lot it is not necessarily the most advanced.
Chinese industry is some of the most advanced on the planet. I use US as an example, because industrial output is lower. Your list is measured in terms of dollars, not actual goods and output.
Yes next to america and europe. Your original claim i'm reply to is that "NATO can’t field an actual war against Russia".
If you want we can compare NATO and russia/china combined and see who has the strongest army and biggest war capabilities.
No, not "next to," at this point China has surpassed the US and Europe in manufacturing in all but a few specialized fields.
Secondly, saying that NATO can't field war against Russia doesn't mean that NATO can't try, or that Russia would single-handedly destroy all of NATO. Russia would win like Vietnam won against the US, by NATO failing to accomplish their goals without nuclear war.
If it was China and Russia against NATO, it would similarly be devastating for all involved, but NATO wouldn't succeed in crushing Russia and China without nuclear war.
few specialized fields like war tech and industry which is what we are talking about.
Vietnam war was 60 years ago and nukes are older than that. War has evolved, USA wouldn't need a single nuke to destroy russia they are already doing it with propaganda and the leverage they have on markets.
No, China is surpassing the US in industrial output and tech. China's 6th gen fighters are further along than the US's F-47, and China has far more industrial capacity. The tech is close enough that it won't make more than a marginal difference, but the industrial output absolutely will.
The US is not destroying Russia, sanctions have just pushed Russia closer to BRICS. The largest social instability, I would say, is an increasing desire to return to socialism among the populace.
How many of these china has? Speculated further development of fighters that aren't operative yet is a better metric to compare war power than US outclassing any other country in military spending for decades?
USA pretty much defeated russia in the cold war and they are slowly finishing them as you can see today.
Information on quantities is minimal, but from what we know China is further along and these fighters have been spotted. Spending in China goes a lot farther thsn it does in the US.
The USSR dissolved, yes, that doesn't mean the US is destroying the Russian Federation.
USA has plenty of classified weapons we are not talking about. We are comparing assets we know of that already exists and that can be used to wage war today.
Sure, so from what we do know China is ahead of the US in productive capacity and relatively equal in tech, slightly behind in some areas and ahead in others.
Wunderwaffen made by silicon valley startups, i guess. About as useful and money-efficient as a 10000$ trash can.