https://xcancel.com/FearedBuck/status/1983584943025615329#m
VANCE He has this command : Place. Which is basically, I snap my finger and point. He will run to that place and lay down.
INTERVIEWER You don't have to zap him? like Hasan
VANCE Like Hasan Piker? No
both laughing uncontrollably
INTERVIEWER Wasn't that disgusting?
VANCE There's no electrocution of dogs here.
INTERVIEWER How disgusting is that? What does it tell you about a person?
VANCE I think it tells you that they're bad people. ... If you mistreat dogs, that's almost a 100% sign that you're a going to be a really terrible person.
it feels kinda like you started from a position (either not liking hasan for other reasons or misleading clips on fash subs) and worked backwards. Using clips cut by reactionaries as primary sources on what his opinion is is whack.
I think if you looked at see he isn't forcing her to stay on the bed. "Place" is said specifically when she comes and tries to lay down somewhere else in the room on the hard floors but like once a stream most days she gets up and goes off camera (presumably to another room or to be with his family?) for an extended period and he doesn't do anything about that. But if she's going to just be laying in the room with him (which she seems to want to be with him, which is pretty normal), she has to be on the bed... Which lines up with what he's said the whole time.
I don't even like hasan much these days but I reallly need to stop hearing about this in particular.
He only "defends" shock collars in that he says they are not illegal and are pretty normalized in the US. He doesn't make a value judgement about them. It's valid to disagree with that but it's not a reflection of what he does with his own dog, which he's said and appears to be just a vibrating collar for outdoor off-leash use. Maybe, if we are to give malicious clips way too much credit, he could have used it indoors to reinforce the place training, I don't know if that's perfect dog training practice, but it's not animal cruelty, IMO