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This idea that fascism somehow has something to do with socialist or communist ideas is so prevalent, but where does it come from? Yes, both systems are not liberalism or neoliberalism. But one embraces and supports free private enterprise, and the other, well, doesn't.
i even see this on the left! Why???!?
Fascism is a response to Communism. Fascism was made after WWI, after the Soviet Revolution. Fascism was invented to stop Communism. The premise of Fascism is the inversion of Communism. In response to whatever Communists want to do, Fascists say they want to do the opposite.
Fascists did look at Communist concepts and changed them to be the opposite. For example, Mussolini believed that one of the main pillars of fascism is class collaboration, which is the opposite of class struggle. Marxists believe that the working class should struggle against the capitalist class, with the goal of abolishing class. Fascists believe that the working class should collaborate with the capitalist class for the purposes of Nationalism, they think that their own nation will become stronger if the working class just submits to the capitalist demands.
As someone else pointed out, "race communism" does sound a lot like "national socialism". I think this demonstrates how Fascists distort communist concepts. Fascists want to trick workers away from being Communist. Even like the symbolism of Fascism itself feels like a distortion of communism. Fasces, a bundle of sticks being stronger than a single stick. This seems like a distortion of the concept of labor organizing.
There is a concept in fascism, nazism, white supremacy called "race consciousness", someone who is conscious of their own race in relation to other races. I believe Mussolini had this concept as well.
Communists believe in class consciousness. Fascists believe in race consciousness. Communists believe in class war. Fascists believe in race war. Class war is real, race war is not real.
Mussolini, the founder of Fascism, used to be a good communist and head editor of the most popular Italian communist newspaper. He was expelled from the party for his pro-WWI stance, but promised that he would continue pursuing socialism no matter what.
He obviously betrayed all of his ideals in the process of becoming a fascist, but right-wingers believe that he indeed never stopped being socialist, and that fascism was just the non-Marxist pursuit of socialism outside of the normal left-wing Italian parties.
Communism and Fascism both present as ways of solving the class conflict, as well.
But while communism wants to solve it by getting rid of classes, Fascism wants to keep classes, but there would be no class conflict, because a common national consciousness would inspire the different economic and social classes to live together harmoniously and work for the nation (with the "nation" being defined largely by race/ethnicity, even pre-racial-supremacism Mussolini defined it with the Aryan-Italians). It's corporatism, where everyone is working for overall group benefit, rather than for their own class interest.
i think it probably comes from fascist roots being traced back to yellow socialism. but more than that i am not sure fascism actually does support free private enterprise. i mean fascism is so messy and loosely defined and every implementation is different but there can be an aspect of picking winners and losers by the government that is beyond what would happen in a free enterprise system.
anyway "race communism" is an awful way of describing fascism. every way of describing fascism is an awful way of describing fascism but i feel like lenin's description of it being capitalism in decay is probably the only good one or at least the least bad one.
Liberalism used to be favored by the Bourgeoisie because they found themselves at odds with the old ruling classes - they wanted free elections (that at least they could participate in, so many had citizenship, property or tax requirements), free speech/press (at least for Liberals, Socialists could get fucked), and free markets (so they could continue to accumulate wealth and overtake the traditional elites).
Under Fascism, the Bourgeoisie is at the top and wants to consolidate their position. Protectionist trade policies, rigged elections, and censorship are used to promote and protect the most virulently pro-Bourgeoise elements of the Bourgeoisie.
Socialism with piss characteristics
These days one of my favorite go to ways of describing fascism is a right wing method of anti-liberalism -- that is, capital's push toward getting rid of free market economics and suppressing the backlash through violence
Oh no. Fascism has roots deep moral confusion, trauma, revolutionary socialism, and syndicalism. Mussolini was a maximalist, Michele Bianchi was organising strikes and riots, Nicola Bombacci was the leader of the revolutionary wing of the socialist party and founded the communist party, and Alceste De Ambris is probably one of the most famous syndicalists in italian history.
Every fascist who came from the left either abandoned their principles or abandoned fascism. But i can't think of any of the early one who were yellow
First and foremost the "fascism is socialism" crap is so widespread because it is convenient to the ruling class. It is one way in which you can justify having a safe centrist ideology that will be socially acceptable and not get you in trouble with powerful people.
It is no coincidence that there are these superficial similarities, fascism was developed as an antidote to socialism, a form of inoculation that would make the same kinda of appeals while being completely harmless to the bourgeoisie.
Like all other good pieces of propaganda it has a kernel of truth, while being fundamentally different and opposite ideologies, fascism and socialism shares some superficial differences that are easier to spot for the historically and politically illiterate than the deeper structural changes that actually matter.
Fascism and socialism are both revolutionary in rhetoric, saying that the old system must go. This puts both in opposition to the liberal-conservative mainstream. But while socialism is revolutionary in praxis, fascism is revolutionary only in aesthetics while being materially conservative.
Another superficial similarity is the appeal to the downtrodden masses, both makes promises of bread and dignity. Again, this puts both socialism and fascism at odds with the mainstream who openly detest the people. While socialism is actually about delivering on those promises, fascism is all about entrenching the class rule that leeches off the people while only delivering on those grand promises to a small in-group.
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