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Jeff Merkley of Oregon gave address to make case that president is ‘violating the law’ through authoritarianism

Oregon’s Jeff Merkley gave a marathon, nearly 23-hour speech on the Senate floor that began on Tuesday and ended late Wednesday, pressing the case that Donald Trump is acting as an authoritarian by prosecuting political enemies and deploying the military into Merkley’s home town of Portland.

The 68-year-old senator began speaking around 6.20pm on Tuesday evening and continued until just after 5pm on Wednesday. Standing continuously on the Senate floor alongside placards that read “authoritarianism is here now!” and “Trump is violating the law”, Merkley paused only to take questions from fellow Democratic senators who joined him in the chamber to make their own points about the president’s conduct.

“I’ve come to the Senate floor tonight to ring the alarm bells. We’re in the most perilous moment, the biggest threat to our republic since the civil war. President Trump is shredding our constitution,” Merkley said as he began his speech.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 72 points 6 days ago (3 children)

When you have no power to enact change, you speak truth to the ones who do.

[–] PoundCake2@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you made that up, props to ya. Bad ass statement there.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But most of this speech was to empty room. Nothing requires his opponents to listen to even be in the room to hear him.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Ah, did you think that the republicans would hear his speech and say "oh boy I didn't realize we were enabling a pedo tyrant" and then move on?

If that's your only measure of success, this would not do it.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

Ask that to the person I'm replying to. They're the one saying speaking to the people in power is what you do if you don't have power. Which again, this did not do.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

He is a senator talking to other senators. And it isn't like any of the republicans are going to change their mind based off what some rando from Oregon said. And it also isn't like the news media is going to at all play any of that.

I want to say I like the sentiment and I think I do... if only from a "if we have to suffer, so will you". But this is about as effective for change as a bunch of Democrats bopping their head to the soundtrack from Hamilton in solidarity.

Hell, if anything it adds fuel to the "Democrats are holding the government hostage" narrative because... they kinda were. It isn't like the senate is going to vote on an amended bill any time soon but they actively can't while this kind of stuff is going on.

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Senators aren’t “randos”. Each state has two.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So he should have just sat down and shut up?

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That doesn't address the question. The senator could have done nothing, instead he he protested on the floor. Perhaps it was just performative and won't change anything, but it was at least something. Would it have been better to do nothing?

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Much like with being "apolitical", doing nothing IS something.

Like I said. The actual act seems to have had no purpose to begin with other than MAYBE trolling or making photo ops. Anyone who would actually be paying attention to cspan or Rupar already knows we have an authoritarian government and anyone who doesn't isn't going to hear about this. And the audience was the US Senate republicans who ARE the problem.

In terms of impact? This wasn't that dissimilar from MTG screaming shit from the back row while Biden spoke or boebert giving a thumbs down to the cameras. It doesn't change minds and is just campaigning to your base. Which... I don't know Oregon's political tendencies off the top of my head so maybe that was the point. But it's not going to change anything and is sure as hell not "speaking to power" or whatever that person wanted to pretend it was.

Now let's look at repercussions. Because every action has a reaction. We have a government that shut down and a rapist actively destroying the White House during said shut down. We have a Senate that refuses to even consider an amended budget (in large part because there is zero chance the House will do so since it would involve triggering the Epstein files...). And what did we give the republicans in return?

Democrats hold Senate hostage and waste time ranting about their trump derangement syndrome when we should be working together to re-open the government and get our cleanly shaved white men in the military paid!

And a complicit news media will just say "So you are denying that Senator Merkley spent 23 hours complaining about president trump during a shutdown?".

To be clear: my inner troll still thinks this is funny and it can't be THAT much worse than what is going on (see: complicit news media).

But before you and anyone else ever start to say "something is better than nothing, no matter how ineffective and arguably detrimental to our efforts", let me leave you with

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4994572/hamilton-cast-members-sing-dear-theodosia-january-6th-anniversary

Was THAT at all a good idea? Are you going to defend fucking THAT?

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I think we'll just have to disagree on this one. I don't think this was trolling and I don't think this is anything like MTG and Boebert. The speech has brought media attention to this that has reached people that otherwise didn't know it was happening. His message wasn't something juvenile like those examples you mentioned but rather something serious. It probably won't change the minds of anyone in powers, but even if it reaches a few people and moves them a little closer to changing their mind, then it was better than nothing. I don't believe a second that it's going to have the adverse effect of turning anyone off that already was never going to be swayed.

I didn't know that this was happening until this morning when it was half way done. I found out through various articles. I'm sure I'm not the only person that saw that, and I can guarantee that others saw the headline that a Democrat gave a 23 hour speech and found something positive in that. Imo, that's better than a headline that says no Democrats argued against the current regime. There was no musical number or childish gestures, but a legitimate speech. The delivery of the message is important and this was delivered professionally.

I would be elated if any of my reps did even the bare minimum to try and represent me.

[–] digredior@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure he’d have yielded if they were going to vote on the bill, and it had a shot at passing.